boo trance.... yay house!!!!

[Ear Wacks]

Originally Posted by Raverkid00

Dude, you almost had me, until you made that statement right there. There is no such thing as a "mean e-head." The nature of real extacy (PURE MDMA) in creating a mass empathy does not allow for meaness, violence, or evil intentions. The mean e-heads you see are people on some kind of bullshit drug combination that has nothing to do with extacy. Also, those happy drunks can turn mean at the drop of a hat, I've seen that happen time and time again...whereas someone on real extacy couldnt get pissed and start a fight if their lives depended on it. From all my observations alcohol should not be part of a rave.

The fact you like house music and clubbing as well as goin to raves is all good. The fun party you attended is a cool deal as well...but by your own description it wasnt a bar or nightclub and it was totally BYOB so I'd say it doesnt qualify as a counter argument in this discussion. Anyway, at least you are lookin at the positives which is an excellent way to see things lol party on.

so you're saying that people who take this "real" e can only act a certain specific way (sometimes referred to as plury). but that people who drink can be mean or nice, no matter what their natural ways are? hmmmm...sounds a bit fishy to me. it sounds like you are blaming (or crediting) the drug instead of the people for the way they act. you put way too much faith in this fairy tail drug known as pure mdma. and honestly, if everyone just automatically nice from taking a magical powder, i think that'd be a little fake.

when i first started raving, i instantly thought every raver was so cool and i had a special connection them just because i saw beads on their shift knob or a dead glowstick hanging from their rear view mirror. finally people who understand, right? not like those in the outside world, right? well, after a while, i started learning a little more about life and people and realized that just because people rave, doesn't make them good people, just because people don't rave, doesn't make them bad (seems obvious, but i still had to learn it!). maybe you can relate to this.

and my example of the party in sf was more to show that there are ravey housey vibey parties where there is plenty of alcohol AND e. my other example was a of a club (smartbar) to show there is ravey housey vibey parties at clubs too (i did see people with glowsticks giving light shows there last night!)...where there is plenty of alcohol AND e.

and to elekid:
no, you're wrong. i am that much of a house head. i just checked my house-o-meter and it reads 115%. hahah. the place was a warehouse and not a real club, i know the promoter, plus theres been other raves there (all ages). and painting the whole picture was not my intent. your right, there IS a lot of everything in sf. fuck, maybe i should just move back! haha.. but really, so far to me it seems there's a lot of everything here too. and "hyphy"? now you're speakin my language!

[Elekid]

Originally Posted by Raverkid00

LOL Weeeellll I suppose that's ONE way to try to get free pills

haha I suppose. Truthfully though, I've come to love being sober rather than otherwise.

Originally Posted by Ear Wacks

and to elekid:
no, you're wrong. i am that much of a house head. i just checked my house-o-meter and it reads 115%. hahah. the place was a warehouse and not a real club, i know the promoter, plus theres been other raves there (all ages). and painting the whole picture was not my intent. your right, there IS a lot of everything in sf. fuck, maybe i should just move back! haha.. but really, so far to me it seems there's a lot of everything here too. and "hyphy"? now you're speakin my language!

I was giving you shit on that 115% thing. About a week ago, I was told by my Astronomy teacher that there is no way possible to have more than 100% of something, and to reiterate that to people. Just breakin' your balls.

We should get stupid one day and ghostride some whips. *thumbs up*

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Ear Wacks

so you're saying that people who take this "real" e can only act a certain specific way (sometimes referred to as plury). but that people who drink can be mean or nice, no matter what their natural ways are? hmmmm...sounds a bit fishy to me. it sounds like you are blaming (or crediting) the drug instead of the people for the way they act. you put way too much faith in this fairy tail drug known as pure mdma. and honestly, if everyone just automatically nice from taking a magical powder, i think that'd be a little fake.

Actually dude, that is EXACTLY what I am trying to say, and it is not fishy at all. I'm sure you've already heard that MDMA affects Seratonin levels, and that the proper dosage of MDMA causes a massive release of ALL the Seratonin neurotransmitters available into the central nevous system causing an intense overload leading to the exeprience known as "rolling." There are more than a dozen different neurotransmitters and each has a specific effect on the way your body works.

Seratonin is considered one of the principal mood enhancers... causing feelings of empathy, well-being, reduced anxiety, and happiness. It also signals the release of large amounts of endorphins (naturally occuring opiate-like pain killers) into the system. Using MDMA causes an overwhelming increase in all of these feelings, you literally cannot feel bad, angry, upset...at worst you feel slightly disappointed or fearfully uncomfortable but are quick to disassociate yourself from any "negative vibes" in order to allow the feelings to maintain at that level for as long as possible.

Alcohol, on the other hand, dilutes itself in the water volume of the body in order to travel through the system. Those vital organs, like the brain, that contain a lot of water and need an ample blood supply are particularly vulnerable to the effects of alcohol. A person who drinks alcohol seems stimulated. Speech becomes free and animated, social inhibitions may be forgotten, and the drinker can begin to act and feel more emotional. But these effects are misleading; the "stimulation" occurs only because alcohol affects those portions of the brain that control judgment by disrupting communication between neurons. "Being stimulated" by alcohol actually amounts to a depression of self-control. A principal effect of alcohol is to slow down brain activity, and depending on what, how much, and how fast a person drinks, the result is slurred speech, hazy thinking, slowed reaction time, dulled hearing, impaired vision, weakened muscles and fogged memory. Because of those effects a person drinking alcohol can be a happy drunk one minute and a raging drunk at the slightest provocation the next

BTW, there is no "fairy tale drug" here when I am talking about MDMA. It may be a holy grail type today compared to all the other drugs that are easily available, but its effects are no fantasy.

As for the other comments, yes, people are people, there are good and bad and in between. Has nothing to do with the argument though. That's cuz what a person is like before and after doing real E isn't our business, nor is what they are like on crap being sold at raves and called xtc. Party on.

[Fractured]

howd this go from a music discussion to one about drugs?

for shame ravelinks....for shame

[deanventure]

Originally Posted by Fractured

howd this go from a music discussion to one about drugs?

for shame ravelinks....for shame

No one at a rave does drugs! raves are drug free events (read any flyer).

[Elekid]

Originally Posted by Fractured

howd this go from a music discussion to one about drugs?

for shame ravelinks....for shame

One little thing got said by one person and the other person quoted him and stretched it way the fuck out.

[Ganja_Pirates]

Yeah, ok... you can do anything ... except smoke a little buddha... why, because of the smell damnt!

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Fractured

howd this go from a music discussion to one about drugs?

for shame ravelinks....for shame

How? Simply read the whole thread instead of popping in and sampling then you'll see how it flowed. lol

Anyway, you identify yourself as a promoter and keep insisting that “clubs are the places that real talent” go, although you downplay something you also mention…”because they are guaranteed the money THEY desire.” I mentioned that I was a promoter in Southern Cali, and an investor before that. I am well aware of how the "talent" thinks. I've dealt with a number of such "luminaries" like DJ Dan, Doc Martin, Mr. Kool-Aid, Thomas Michael, and Christopher Lawrence to name just a few. At first, many are looking for a following and just wanted to get some play time and it was all good.

Most who became "talent" started to make a lot of demands, above and beyond the exepected plane tickets, accomodations and salaries. They wanted dedicated limos and luxury hotel accomodations for themselves AND their exceedingly large "crews" of hangers on. They began to demand contracts which allowed them to decide when they would play, who in the lineup could go before and after them, and what kinds of additional venue VIP accomodations were required to keep them happy while they waited to perform. Of course these sorts of things forced promoters to inflate ticket prices and cut corners in other areas just to make any kind of profit at all for themselves.

What you and "the talent" seemed to forget (which is one reason the thread has "drifted" into talk of drugs and alcohol) the MUSIC is NOT the main reason for having a party. The main reason is to provide a place where PEOPLE COME TO HAVE FUN! Music is only ONE draw point, and its one that they can get sitting at home listening to their MP3 players and CDS. CLUBBERS like to think of themselves as being "grown-up" (just look at what they say in their replies). They like how alcohol affects them, and prefer the nightclub environment as a legal, socially acceptable way of associating with other people like themselves. Adding techno music simply allows them to reminisce about the good old days.

RAVERS (IMO) prefer to think of themselves as free spirits, who want to get together with other free spirits in an open, non-restrictive, unifying, safe environment. They want to be what they dream of being, release tensions, relax social restrictions, and drop their social shields so they can merge and share themselves with others. (Kinda sounds a little like the old hippie scene, but cleaner...lol). To them the music is just a means to expand the experience of whatever drug of choice they use, even if the drug is natural energy of their own inner spirit (the str8-edgers)...Misic is an important part, but for most it is not the main focus of the rave experience... and it's all good.

So, back to my VERY FIRST REPLY...if you want House music...go to a club. Why ask ravers?

[tommygunz]

Originally Posted by Fractured

howd this go from a music discussion to one about drugs?

for shame ravelinks....for shame

i saw it commin for about a week lol, the classic all about the music/all about the drug skirmish

horray for middle ground.

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by tommygunz

i saw it commin for about a week lol, the classic all about the music/all about the drug skirmish

horray for middle ground.

Well, I guess it's partly my fault for thinking people might want real answers to the questions they pose on the site.

Dude's!!! I TOTALLY FORGOT that many of the people posting on here don't really want to learn anything, they just want to put in their 2 cents, maybe talk a little fluff, or incite some drama, and then move on.

My bad....I'll try to remember that in future. lol It's all good!

[tommygunz]

^^ well i didn't learn anything from this thread that i didn't already know. might just be me.

mostly i just see a bunch of opinions and points of view on a topic so broad no one will ever get it 100% right, kinda just like religion. just gotta "wait and see what happens next"

thats my fluffy 2cents, hope i didn't cause any drama, time to move on

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by tommygunz

^^ well i didn't learn anything from this thread that i didn't already know. might just be me.

mostly i just see a bunch of opinions and points of view on a topic so broad no one will ever get it 100% right, kinda just like religion. just gotta "wait and see what happens next"

thats my fluffy 2cents, hope i didn't cause any drama, time to move on

NO WAY DUDE!!! You aint gettin away with that! SLAP!! There's some change for that 2 cents...lol JK JK!! Sowwie, must have missed my medication. Party on!