WTF! This is so sad...

[PaulFrank]

Originally Posted by Klover

exactly. and this site is just one more place that validates it.
the mary kate idol page? same thing.

i've been through the mass media discussion so many times.

its the major source of anorexia.

before TV, anorexia was in such smaller numbers and was not do to insecurity, but a mental illness.

remember when being fat was good? meant you were rich and could provide....?

Do not Venus of Willendorf me, dude. Credit people who fuck up their bodies with going through something much more comprehensive than a conversation with mass media.

[Psyklops]

I'd say that if you were so traumatized by something that you convinced urself that death is the only way..talking to people that share similar interests or problems would seem okay as long as both parties are getting help from someone that understands their specific situatuion.

[bshieh]

one of my best friends became involuntarily anorexic-

for the longest time, her body would literally vomit out ANYTHING she ate. after 3 doctors being unable to find any physical problems, she was told that she was anorexic.

she would eat anything we made her, anything we asked her to eat. she was very worried about her own safety and health, but her body refused to keep anything in. no gagging, no forcing it out- she would just vomit repeatedly. eventually she started to hate eating (this is like 2 weeks in), but she still kept stomaching it, bit by bit. instead of eating all at once, she would basically just have a tiny bite to eat, at certain time intervals. slowly, VERY slowly, she started being able to hold food in. by 6 weeks she had stopped vomiting, and by 8 she was eating regularly.

it was so sad, but so inspiring at the same time.

[Klover]

Originally Posted by PaulFrank

YES.

and god bless the internet



What would be proper support? We don't even like to think about this. Remember, you can only be anorexic in a society rich enough to have excess food. If these people were in a third world society etc. etc. Proper support is not available for these people, so they take what support they can.

An urgent whole-of-government and community approach is required, recognising what the research says and taking action. Positive body image programs in schools should be mandatory, teaching media literacy skills that help young people recognize damaging messages from popular culture.

There should also be a crackdown on degrading and objectified images of women in the public domain, in the way that focuses the definition of "beauty" that the company sets.

there need to be more programs like this:
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


just some quick examples.


anywho, time for sleep.

Psychology final in 6.5 hours!

[roguernaut]

Originally Posted by PaulFrank

There's really something to crediting someone's experience.

I mean, suppose a person says to you that they have suicidal thoughts. Do you tell them they're wrong, or do you ask the deeper question - why are they having these thoughts?

Why not a pro suicide community? Are we really so fragile we think people in such a community would do more harm to each other than good?

I'm not sure I really understand what you're trying to say >_<

Originally Posted by Klover

I just know how to deal with my insecurities in a healthy way. and thats where those girls should be. a community that teaches how to deal with insecurities in a healthy way

These are communities created BY anorexics, FOR anorexics. It's not like some random person came up to set up a server for anorexia. It's created so the girls can feel closer together. They don't believe they are doing anything wrong, so why would they set up a community to 'help themselves'? They feel this is the way they are bettering themselves. I'm not saying I agree with anorexia, I'm saying this is how they deal with their insecurities and hate.

Originally Posted by TheMessenger

I have always thought that you, rogue, always knew what you wanted to explain and then did it so well. I wish I could do the same But all the rolls made it so so difficult. Do you think about what you want to say and then write it b/c I just start typing immeadiatly.

I usually sit in front of the quote I'm responding to and re-read it as much as possible before I reply, so that I can get the most out of the point the person was trying to get across as possible. Then it's easier to formulate my reply.

[casperette]

There are so many of these on LJ/xanga/most other bloging sites. Eating disorders are one of the worst things that could happen to a person. One of my really good friends has been anorexic/mostly bulimic for years and damage is irreversable. The psychology of her self-image is so ridiculously sad, and the worst part is how permanent it is. It's nothing some simple therapy or medication can fix, and it affects so many aspects of her life outside of just her self esteem and weight management.

Siiighhh

[LustBunny]

Originally Posted by Klover

and don't we preach safety?


taking a standard dose of MDMA or cid or shrooms every other week is much different than starving your body.

food is soooooo important to your health. depriving yourself of all those nutrients is different than putting the chemicals we do in our mouths.

but like i said....we preach safety and responsibility here a lot.

erowid and all those sites? I'm curious how many of them are not looking into how food is what keeps you alive....

like i said....i'd rather them get a different support then this. even if proper support fails. at least it would show more people trying. and people do recover to a healthy point....

I think you dont understand because youve never been in that situation. I mean even the statement : food is soooooo important to your health. depriving yourself of all those nutrients is different than putting the chemicals we do in our mouths." say that out loud and listen to yourself

putting chemicals in your mouth that alter your perspective your way of thinking a times your mind set. Yes and still what they do is perfectly legal and what we may or may not do is not. Nor is it ever 100 % safe putting any kind of narcotic in your body is never 100 % safe. Putting drugs in your body is not healthy and neither is anorexia
Yes it is diffrent but its not any safer or unsafe.

Everyone has there vice whether it be drugs,anorexia,alcholism or bad fashion sense. just because you dont agree with it means its wrong because the same thing can be said about our beloved ravelinks

[bshieh]

Originally Posted by LustBunny

why is it awful because you dont agree with it. just because it may seem awful to us doesnt mean it is to them. i mean maybe they think it awful that you post on a website that promotes underground wearhouse parties in down town LA and blatant drug use of everykind. and encourages the use of a number of Drugs

ravelinks does NOT promote blatant drug use.

if anything, the majority of the posters here look down upon irresponsibility w/ your drugs, and lack of knowledge about drugs.

i'd like to believe that RL promotes educating yourself about drugs, doing them responsibly- if you do them at all, and remembering that you DONT NEED drugs to have a good time. it's just the cherry on top.


but lets not derail this thread.

[PaulFrank]

Originally Posted by *rogue*

I'm not sure I really understand what you're trying to say >_<

I'm taking it to its logical extreme. What I'm getting at is that even if people are threatening to kill themselves, it's going to do more good than harm to say, "OK, so why do you feel/think/experience that?" than to tell them not to kill themselves.

Why?

Because people who want to fuck themselves up want to do so for a reason. Animals don't engage in self-destructive behavior for nothing. There's something they're responding to.

And finding out what that is could be just as useful as placing a limit on that self destructive behavior. If you tell people not to fuck themselves up...well, sometimes even the really nasty folks those people are dealing with tell them not to fuck themselves up, it's a line of conversation these people are used to and sometimes tired of. If you say, "Hey, sure, you want to injure youself. I can see why you want to do that, what that made of...?" there might be more you can do.

Not always. But sometimes. And do we really think that every time we tell a suicidal person not to kill herself or himself it saves a life? That every time we tell an anorexic they shouldn't "be anorexic" it helps? No way. These people know quite well what they're experiencing.

[roguernaut]

Originally Posted by PaulFrank

I'm taking it to its logical extreme. What I'm getting at is that even if people are threatening to kill themselves, it's going to do more good than harm to say, "OK, so why do you feel/think/experience that?" than to tell them not to kill themselves.

Why?

Because people who want to fuck themselves up want to do so for a reason. Animals don't engage in self-destructive behavior for nothing. There's something they're responding to.

And finding out what that is could be just as useful as placing a limit on that self destructive behavior. If you tell people not to fuck themselves up...well, sometimes even the really nasty folks those people are dealing with tell them not to fuck themselves up, it's a line of conversation these people are used to and sometimes tired of. If you say, "Hey, sure, you want to injure youself. I can see why you want to do that, what that made of...?" there might be more you can do.

Not always. But sometimes. And do we really think that every time we tell a suicidal person not to kill herself or himself it saves a life? That every time we tell an anorexic they shouldn't "be anorexic" it helps? No way. These people know quite well what they're experiencing.

Oh okay, so I think we're agreeing.

Yes, you can't just tell a person to 'stop what they're doing'. It's like trying to tell your child you forbid them to take alcohol. The child will not understand why this rule is imposed on them.

You need to EXPLAIN why they shouldn't take alcohol.

I know that's a strange analogy to make, but what I'm getting at, is you can't just simply tell a person NO.

Dig deeper.

If you can find the inherent cause for anorexia, you can work on that cause, rather than the anorexia.

If you have a pot of boiling water on the stove, you can't just put ice cubes in the water to cool it off. Eventually the ice cubes will melt. You need to shut off the fire. Stop it at the source.

[PaulFrank]

Originally Posted by *rogue*

Oh okay, so I think we're agreeing.

Yes, you can't just tell a person to 'stop what they're doing'. It's like trying to tell your child you forbid them to take alcohol. The child will not understand why this rule is imposed on them.

You need to EXPLAIN why they shouldn't take alcohol.

I know that's a strange analogy to make, but what I'm getting at, is you can't just simply tell a person NO.

Dig deeper.

If you can find the inherent cause for anorexia, you can work on that cause, rather than the anorexia.

If you have a pot of boiling water on the stove, you can't just put ice cubes in the water to cool it off. Eventually the ice cubes will melt. You need to shut off the fire. Stop it at the source.

Sure. Stop it even though the cause of the hot water has nothing to do with hot water. It has to do with the gas burning under the pot.

[Psyklops]

Originally Posted by PaulFrank

Not always. But sometimes. And do we really think that every time we tell a suicidal person not to kill herself or himself it saves a life? That every time we tell an anorexic they shouldn't "be anorexic" it helps? No way. These people know quite well what they're experiencing.

It all depends on you involvement with their life. I remember when i was in 6th grade...i was suicidal for some reason....i was depressed for no reason whatsoever...anyways i was planning on drowning myself...and my bestfriend talked me through it and he basically bitch-slapped me back to reality.....what i went through could only amount to probably a fraction of what suicidal and anorexic people go through daily...recovery is a very slow process but its definitely worth saving a life. I'd imagine that if someone was anorexic and they took baby steps and recovered///it would make them stronger...