Same Sex Marriage now Legal In CA For now.

[Masqued]

Originally Posted by gg99

this is a sign for the end of days approaches.

[Beni_Bonnietta]

Originally Posted by gg99

this is a sign for the end of days approaches.

...and this whole time I thought it was the envoirnment falling apart, the crazy weather/geology, war, genocide, disease, and famine.

really thought, there are more important things to fret over than weather or not adam and steve want to get married.

[Klover]

Originally Posted by *rogue*

I just thought I should share, and share it in this post...


Yesterday when I went to work I excitedly and happily spread the news to all my coworkers: "California lifted the ban on gay marriage"!

Several of my coworkers happily shared my glee, one even told me "oh my gosh, now my sister can marry!" I was so happy for her


One of the waitresses tho...

FREAKED the fuck out

she started YELLING at me and CURSING at me

"WHO THE FUCK DECIDED THIS? WHO THE FUCK SAID THESE PEOPLE CAN DO THIS? THAT'S FUCKING DISGUSTING"


O_O

at first i was offended that I was being talked to in such a way, but then I laughed in her face.

me: "HOW THE FUCK.
DOES THESE PEOPLE MARRYING.
AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY?!"


her: "BECAUSE IT'S DISGUSTING"


me: "that's something I can't change your mind about, but they don't flaunt it in your face, they don't talk to you, they don't AFFECT you. why does their marriage relate to you in ANY way?"


her: "I DON'T WANT TO FUCKING TALK ABOUT IT"

me: "because god said so? you feel you are a worthy representative of God's Word?"

her: "IT GOES AGAINST THE BIBLE"


man shut the fuck up you ignorant bible thumping whore.

see....if she actually gave better reasons or was even able to quote the bible or state religious beliefs...thats one thing...

but this girl talked her fucking trap off and then couldn't even defend her belief. shes just against it because of some lame reason.

good for you rogue. bitch needs to be thwacked.

[gg99]

Originally Posted by Beni_Bonnietta

...and this whole time I thought it was the envoirnment falling apart, the crazy weather/geology, war, genocide, disease, and famine.

really thought, there are more important things to fret over than weather or not adam and steve want to get married.

whats next, marrying your pet, or maybe an inanimate object?

[Klover]

Originally Posted by gg99

whats next, marrying your pet, or maybe an inanimate object?

It's happened before. Look it up. I remember reading somewhere a girl marrying a dolphin.

[Rave4Life]

Originally Posted by gg99

whats next, marrying your pet, or maybe an inanimate object?

i was unaware that an inanimate object was a consenting adult.

[Intellect]

Originally Posted by Rave4Life

i was unaware that an inanimate object was a consenting adult.

And I was unaware that anyone cared about the relationship between someone and an inanimate object

[Klover]

Originally Posted by Intellect

And I was unaware that anyone cared about the relationship between someone and an inanimate object

Teddy-bears have feelings!

[Spark_Addiction]

This is such a mixed bag of emotions and thought on a single topic, not even sure where to start! Sorry for the incoming novel hehehe

First, I'm really happy that California will "allow" a same sex couple to get married. I have had several friends that I know are likely already planning things for their upcoming date, and I can't wait to see it. It's not the final battle, but it's a great step in the right direction.

Having both a marriage and a civil union would be the best of both worlds in my eyes, though, not just one or the other.

Starting with the religious views, by what right do ordinary mortals have the audacity to challenge the word of God(s) and Goddess(es)? Pick whatever religion you want, do they even acknowledge mortal laws or customs? Christianity is the easiest for most of us to relate to... does the Bible state: "Thou shalt not commit Murder, unless in a Government (or Church) sanctioned war." It truly is a higher power that you're answerable to, if you truly believe in the religion that you say you do. Loopholes and excuses won't stand for much when a soul is on trial.

If a particular religion feels that two grown adults can decide that they want to become 2 halves of a whole person, by what right does ANYone else have to gainsay that? It's time to move beyond religious repression, and truly seperate the Church and the State. Let marriage fall to the Churches to decide.

But if we do, let the rights that come with marriage apply only to those that have applied and recieved a civil union. Especially since it has already been fought and won that same sex couples are fully capable of recieving one. People that don't want to get "married" or for whatever reason cannot get married, will still have available the rights and protections that is their due. But having the State decide who is and who is not allowed to be in a civil union protects us from future lawsuits that gay marriage will open the door to. After all, if same sex marriage is now legal, why isn't bigomy? Or Father/Daughter? Before judging either of these (and others I haven't thought of) as morally corrupt and therefor something that should never be allowed... isn't that what has been said by many about same sex?

Rogue brought up a an awesome point about divorce. And I agree, it's sad. "Till Death Do You Part" no longer matters to people. One partner cheats, so the other files for divorce... both of them have forsaken their vows. In my group of friends, there are more divorced people than married... I hope that things reverse, or the court's decision will soon be a rather hollow victory

Till then, though - let's enjoy the good news! Big hug to all my friends (and future friends) that this long awaited decision gives reasons to celebrate!!

[Beni_Bonnietta]

Originally Posted by gg99

whats next, marrying your pet, or maybe an inanimate object?

I may not agree with it, but who am I to tell someone how to run their lives based on what I believe?

(and comparing a marrige between two consenting adults to someone who wants to marry their pet/inanimate object is borderline insulting. FYI.)

[Klover]

Originally Posted by Spark_Addiction

This is such a mixed bag of emotions and thought on a single topic, not even sure where to start! Sorry for the incoming novel hehehe

First, I'm really happy that California will "allow" a same sex couple to get married. I have had several friends that I know are likely already planning things for their upcoming date, and I can't wait to see it. It's not the final battle, but it's a great step in the right direction.

Having both a marriage and a civil union would be the best of both worlds in my eyes, though, not just one or the other.

Starting with the religious views, by what right do ordinary mortals have the audacity to challenge the word of God(s) and Goddess(es)? Pick whatever religion you want, do they even acknowledge mortal laws or customs? Christianity is the easiest for most of us to relate to... does the Bible state: "Thou shalt not commit Murder, unless in a Government (or Church) sanctioned war." It truly is a higher power that you're answerable to, if you truly believe in the religion that you say you do. Loopholes and excuses won't stand for much when a soul is on trial.

If a particular religion feels that two grown adults can decide that they want to become 2 halves of a whole person, by what right does ANYone else have to gainsay that? It's time to move beyond religious repression, and truly seperate the Church and the State. Let marriage fall to the Churches to decide.

But if we do, let the rights that come with marriage apply only to those that have applied and received a civil union. Especially since it has already been fought and won that same sex couples are fully capable of recieving one. People that don't want to get "married" or for whatever reason cannot get married, will still have available the rights and protections that is their due. But having the State decide who is and who is not allowed to be in a civil union protects us from future lawsuits that gay marriage will open the door to. After all, if same sex marriage is now legal, why isn't bigomy? Or Father/Daughter? Before judging either of these (and others I haven't thought of) as morally corrupt and therefor something that should never be allowed... isn't that what has been said by many about same sex?

Rogue brought up a an awesome point about divorce. And I agree, it's sad. "Till Death Do You Part" no longer matters to people. One partner cheats, so the other files for divorce... both of them have forsaken their vows. In my group of friends, there are more divorced people than married... I hope that things reverse, or the court's decision will soon be a rather hollow victory

Till then, though - let's enjoy the good news! Big hug to all my friends (and future friends) that this long awaited decision gives reasons to celebrate!!

To respond to your post:

Originally Posted by Klover

doesn't matter:
if you want to get religion involved...not once does it say in the old testament that homosexual marriage is not allowed. it only says that sex between two men is a sin. the church created more rules against homosexuality after the 'word' of god did. do you believe god or the churches interpretation?
that goes into a longer discussion.

Originally Posted by Klover

I believe marriage should be two lovers that have a special, romantic bond.
They get the benefits and legal status...but have the 'marriage' for the traditional, emotional feel.


Because, when i say im extremely liberal:

i believe any two people, even cousins or just best friends, should be able to get a civil union. not in the sense of incest, but in the sense that the benefits and rights that go along with civil unions should be available to any two people that prove they are bonded in a significant way.

visiting rights in a hospital, automatic will laws, property rights, etc.

of course though, they would have to implement a huge process to prove people are not just doing it for the taxes.

HENCE my idea. wipe out 'civil unions' when regarding to homosexual and heterosexual couples. give MARRIAGE the legal benefits like taxes and such that people fear people are just getting married to take advantage of.

then, for 'civil unions' people would get the benefits i listed and more, that people are not doing for the reaping of easier life/less taxes.

this would also make the screening process much easier.

Originally Posted by Klover

who cares about divorce rates. who cares if when the church wrote the definitions of marriage they said "till death do us part"


my parents got divorced last September. i think the legal papers are still being filed and such. a very smooth divorce. very friendly. we still have family dinners. my dad and mom live 1 mile away from each other.
they never yelled in front of us.

marriage ending awful is not an aspect of marriage, but an aspect of the people and how they mesh.

and for the idea that marriage is for life? thats idealistic and naive.
marriage can be an amazing thing, even if it only lasts 10-20 years.
and many people who get divorced once or even twice or hell even three times can see a good reason for each marriage.

what makes marriage so obnoxious is the fact that religion and media put such an idealistic view on it - how it should be, the gender roles, the idea of having children, etc.

ALL it should be, is a recognition of a bond between two people exclusively with legal laws attached.

and as for 50% statistic....what about the other 50%?

i know old people who are in their 80s and have been married for 55 years. and do they ever make me have faith in marriage.

the ONE fear i had when my parents got divorced is WTF why is marriage crumbling apart!??!!? can i really find someone i want to be with forever??!?! is it impossible now?!?!?! as someone who has ALWAYS looked forward to getting married(yes, i want to get married young), will i only be disappointed?

now that i look at marriage differently, i have no fear. even if i do get divorced.
i will work out issues with my partner in a calm manner that do not interfere with my life or my children.


eek i could write so much more...

Divorce can be the best thing, especially FOR the children. Parents just usually handle it in the wrong way and at the wrong time.


"Divorce as a Mitzvah" My Rabbi wrote that after he got divorced. read it. seriously. there are judaic references of course, but just skim past those if you don't care.

Originally Posted by Klover

nah. marriage has become more than a religious matter.

it's now just a traditional word.

it has more emotion than 'civil union'

i don't want to be in a civil union. i want to be in a marriage.

Note: I'm not gay...just speaking as if i was in their position)

Originally Posted by Beni_Bonnietta

disclaimer: this is not directed at anybody who's posted thus far...

Regardless of the benefits involved. What if you and your spouse were madly in love. You both plan on getting “married” but end up being told you have to setting for a “union”.

That would be kind of heartbreaking. (imo)

We associate marriage with life and love.

You want to spend the rest of your life with someone you love.

That’s why folks get MARRIED (a marriage, not a union).

Even non-religious folks get married.

I’m glad that for now, gay men and women can get married. I personally, would never marry anybody (in opinion, marriage is a waste of time) for whatever reason BUT what works for me may not work for the next person. I have this “I do what I want, I won’t worry about what you do, and you don’t worry about what I do” attitude.

If Sam and Emily want to get married, they should be free to do so.
If Sam and George want to get married, they should be free to do so.
If Emily and Jessica want to get married, they should be free to do so.

I’m not going to deny someone else a right (especially an expression of love such as marriage) just because I don’t agree with it.

Like I said before, I think Marriage overall is a waste, but you don’t see me rallying against married couples because I don’t agree with it.

Why can’t others be the same way?

(Kinda like freedom of speech. I may not like what you say, but I’ll fight for your right to say it)

Originally Posted by Beni_Bonnietta

I kinda said this in a previous post (klover did too)

Regardless of religion, or law…

If I were in love with someone (man or woman), my initial thought would be to ask this person to marry me.

I won’t be all like “hey babe, let’s go get a civil union”.

Civil union sounds so dry and unsympathetic.

It’s like “sorry fags, NO…you can’t get married. Because MY believes said so. But hey! Here’s a civil union to make you feel better. I know it sucks, but MY beliefs run YOUR life.”

[Klover]

Also....you mention about how who are we to say that our belief or how we think law is above the word of god? that we can not question something so far above us....

but what if we don't believe in god?

you have to remember....god is a belief.....not a provable existent thing so you can not really use the argument that we can't go against gods word.

"by what right do ordinary mortals have the audacity to challenge the word of God(s) and Goddess(es)? Pick whatever religion you want, do they even acknowledge mortal laws or customs? Christianity is the easiest for most of us to relate to... does the Bible state: "Thou shalt not commit Murder, unless in a Government (or Church) sanctioned war." It truly is a higher power that you're answerable to, if you truly believe in the religion that you say you do. Loopholes and excuses won't stand for much when a soul is on trial."

I'm sorry...but i am jewish. grew up very religious. so did my parents and my family friends. I consider myself conservative, which is very much in the middle right now, deciding which way to go. it is separating the denomination.

but right now? the vast majority of Judaism below orthodoxy agrees that gay marriage should be allowed, and many temples hold ceromonies.

it is because no where, in all of the original bible, did god(yes, the one Christianity is based upon) say that marriage is something only between a man and a woman.