Same Sex Marriage now Legal In CA For now. - Page 3

Masqued · #25 15.5.2008, 4:35 pm

I've kinda been jumping around my living room all morning.

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Originally Posted by The Joker

adam and eve
not adam and steve

(he shivers)
Ooooh, you get me all excited when you talk like that.

Noir · #26 15.5.2008, 4:38 pm

i really dont get why people think gy marriage is so wron gto begin with!!

there's gay people out there!! yes!! so fucking what!?!?! homophobes are hompophobic because 1: they're secretly gay and hate themselves for it
2: they've had a traumatizing experience
and 3: they're fucking idiots who cant accept people for who they fucking are!!!

everyone has their preference dont fucking hate them because of it!! its like hating someone for just LOOKING different then you do! for having a different style, growing up different!! just fuck off and mind your own fucking business!!! let people be who they are!! how the fuck would you like it if someone told you how to act, dress, look!? you'd probably hate it!!! SO FUCK OFF and dont worry about what someone else is doing just because you dont agree with it!!!

------- end noir rant

^_^

Fizzy · #27 15.5.2008, 4:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Masqued

I've kinda been jumping around my living room all morning.

(he shivers)
Ooooh, you get me all excited when you talk like that.

filler

Beni_Bonnietta · #28 15.5.2008, 4:40 pm

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Originally Posted by *rogue*

MARRIAGE IS A JOKE ANYWAY.

"Marriage" was initially supposed to be a union for LIFE, under GOD.

What do we have now?

a 50% divorce rate.
families that know nothing about the christian religion.
kids growing up with no religious ideals

I say we don't get rid of civil unions, we get rid of MARRIAGES.

The christian religion is slowly dying anyway. Let's help accelerate it.

them and all their ignorant shittyness.

Quoted of emphasis.

Klover · #29 15.5.2008, 4:44 pm

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Originally Posted by *rogue*

"Marriage" was initially supposed to be a union for LIFE, under GOD.

What do we have now?

a 50% divorce rate.
families that know nothing about the christian religion.
kids growing up with no religious ideals

I say we don't get rid of civil unions, we get rid of MARRIAGES.

The christian religion is slowly dying anyway. Let's help accelerate it.

them and all their ignorant shittyness.

who cares how it started. who cares about divorce rates.

my parents got divorced last september. i think the legal papers are still being filed and such. a very smooth divorce. very friendly. we still have family dinners. my dad and mom live 1 mile away from each other.
they never yelled in front of us.

marriage ending awful is not an aspect of marriage, but an aspect of the people and how they mesh.

and for the idea that marriage is for life? thats idealistic and naive.
marriage can be an amazing thing, even if it only lasts 10-20 years.
and many people who get divorced once or even twice or hell even three times can see a good reason for each marriage.

what makes marriage so obnoxious is the fact that religion and media put such an idealistic view on it - how it should be, the gender roles, the idea of having children, etc.

ALL it should be, is a recognition of a bond between two people exclusively with legal laws attached.

and as for 50% statistic....what about the other 50%?

i know old people who are in their 80s and have been married for 55 years. and do they ever make me have faith in marriage.

the ONE fear i had when my parents got divorced is WTF why is marriage crumbling apart!??!!? can i really find someone i want to be with forever??!?! is it impossible now?!?!?! as someone who has ALWAYS looked forward to getting married(yes, i want to get married young), will i only be disappointed?

now that i look at marriage differently, i have no fear. even if i do get divorced.
i will work out issues with my partner in a calm manner that do not interfere with my life or my children.

eek i could write so much more...

ill refrain. but we also spoke about divorce in psychology on monday, and how it can be the best thing, especially FOR the children.

"Divorce as a Mitzvah" My Rabbi wrote that after he got divorced. read it. seriously. there are judaic references of course, but just skim past those if you don't care.

anywho, time to eat lunch.

P.S. i love you masquerade!!!!

thizzellejr · #30 15.5.2008, 4:45 pm

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Originally Posted by Klover

though...its just a matter of the word being used for you?

civil unions are kind of bullshit.
a) not the same exact rights
b) if its the same exact rights....why not just call it....

marriage.

i do see that you aren't being arrogant....just stating the weirdness between separating marriage and civil unions if you think they should be completely equal.

Like I said, for me, marriage is a holy religious ceremony. A marriage is different then a civil union to me.

The only way I could describe it as this; Imagine one person works as a lifeguard and makes $13 an hour. Another person is a chef at red robin and also makes $13 an hour. They both reap the same legal benefits ($13 an hour), but are classified as two different things (lifeguard or cook).

It may sound weird to you, but that is just my belief. Let me restate again that I have nothing against homosexuals and i think it is unAmerican to not allow homosexual couples the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

Klover · #31 15.5.2008, 4:49 pm

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Originally Posted by thizzellejr

Like I said, for me, marriage is a holy religious ceremony. A marriage is different then a civil union to me.

The only way I could describe it as this; Imagine one person works as a lifeguard and makes $13 an hour. Another person is a chef at red robin and also makes $13 an hour. They both reap the same legal benefits ($13 an hour), but are classified as two different things (lifeguard or cook).

It may sound weird to you, but that is just my belief. Let me restate again that I have nothing against homosexuals and i think it is unAmerican to not allow homosexual couples the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

i get where you are coming from. i don't really get the analogy because a cook and a lifeguard are two completely different jobs, but whatever.

I see that you are not against homosexuals, and that makes me happy.
I also get how marriage is a religious thing for you, and i like that as well.

but what about the people who see marriage as just the traditional phrase, and feel cheated out of not being able to legally say they are married? playing devils advocate here.

roguernaut · #32 15.5.2008, 4:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Klover

who cares how it started. who cares about divorce rates.

my parents got divorced last september. i think the legal papers are still being filed and such. a very smooth divorce. very friendly. we still have family dinners. my dad and mom live 1 mile away from each other.
they never yelled in front of us.

marriage ending awful is not an aspect of marriage, but an aspect of the people and how they mesh.

and for the idea that marriage is for life? thats idealistic and naive.
marriage can be an amazing thing, even if it only lasts 10-20 years.
and many people who get divorced once or even twice or hell even three times can see a good reason for each marriage.

what makes marriage so obnoxious is the fact that religion and media put such an idealistic view on it - how it should be, the gender roles, the idea of having children, etc.

ALL it should be, is a recognition of a bond between two people exclusively with legal laws attached.

and as for 50% statistic....what about the other 50%?

i know old people who are in their 80s and have been married for 55 years. and do they ever make me have faith in marriage.

the ONE fear i had when my parents got divorced is WTF why is marriage crumbling apart!??!!? can i really find someone i want to be with forever??!?! is it impossible now?!?!?! as someone who has ALWAYS looked forward to getting married(yes, i want to get married young), will i only be disappointed?

now that i look at marriage differently, i have no fear. even if i do get divorced.
i will work out issues with my partner in a calm manner that do not interfere with my life or my children.

eek i could write so much more...

ill refrain. but we also spoke about divorce in psychology on monday, and how it can be the best thing, especially FOR the children.

"Divorce as a Mitzvah" My Rabbi wrote that after he got divorced. read it. seriously. there are judaic references of course, but just skim past those if you don't care.

anywho, time to eat lunch.

P.S. i love you masquerade!!!!

Klover you went off on a completely other tangent. You missed my point.

Marriage is a union under god. that is just what it is. ask the dictionary.

marriage is also supposed to be for life.

"who cares how it started" is like, completely bypassing the root meaning of the word, which si the discussion we're having: marriage vs civil union.

civil union is a legality issue
marriage is a religion issue

and i say religion has left the lives of daily americans

we can still have marriage, but i say reserve it for those who are ACTUALLY religion and ACTUALLY practice it.

leave civil union for the rest of us who just want to reap the benefits.

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Originally Posted by thizzellejr

Like I said, for me, marriage is a holy religious ceremony. A marriage is different then a civil union to me.

The only way I could describe it as this; Imagine one person works as a lifeguard and makes $13 an hour. Another person is a chef at red robin and also makes $13 an hour. They both reap the same legal benefits ($13 an hour), but are classified as two different things (lifeguard or cook).

It may sound weird to you, but that is just my belief. Let me restate again that I have nothing against homosexuals and i think it is unAmerican to not allow homosexual couples the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

I actually agree wholeheartedly.

Masqued · #33 15.5.2008, 4:52 pm

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Originally Posted by thizzellejr

Like I said, for me, marriage is a holy religious ceremony. A marriage is different then a civil union to me.

The only way I could describe it as this; Imagine one person works as a lifeguard and makes $13 an hour. Another person is a chef at red robin and also makes $13 an hour. They both reap the same legal benefits ($13 an hour), but are classified as two different things (lifeguard or cook).

It may sound weird to you, but that is just my belief. Let me restate again that I have nothing against homosexuals and i think it is unAmerican to not allow homosexual couples the same legal rights as heterosexual couples.

I understand that and I think it's fine if an individual or even a religious organization wants to make that distinction...

It's just not cool for the law to.

P.S. Klover, I love you more!

Klover · #34 15.5.2008, 4:53 pm

nah. marriage has become more than a religious matter.

it's now just a traditional word.

it has more emotion than 'civil union'

i don't want to be in a civil union. i want to be in a marriage.

time to eeeat!!!

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Originally Posted by Masqued

I understand that and I think it's fine if an individual or even a religious organization wants to make that distinction...

It's just not cool for the law to.

P.S. Klover, I love you more!

I'm wearing my boxers with hearts on them today.