6 Years Later

[pLuraList]

Originally Posted by pAranoiaTTack

lol aight, i just felt that "he gov't only gains more power b/c of people like you. we only digress b/c of people like you. we repeat mistakes already made b/c of people like you. " all of that was directed to me....


oops!

wOrd up man.. i should have worded it better. i have a bad habit of typing like i would talk.. and it gets a bit muddled.

[Spunkt]

Originally Posted by lazer

same with the iran issue and the fact that he's a general pimp-politician.

he's the kinda guy who will barely answer a question, but include so much bullshit laden facts about it trying to divert you to another issue that he doesn't need to avoid. very similar to how ol' dubya does it.

pimps and politicians have that in common... they'll tell you to do something, or that something is gonna happen, or that that's how things are... and not explain it to you.

but, i just don't think he'd get elected.. i mean, if you can send AL GORE or JOHN KERRY through the middle of america... aka what i like to call "THE RED" and let them come out with a victory over a MAN-CHIMP... how will you expect a woman or a partially african-american man to get more then the coastal states
(which we've already been shown TWICE, that just the big electoral pulls won't do much if all the smaller 2's and 3's all clump together for red)

I have seen a few speeches he has given and he has been direct about what he wants. A politicians job is to talk at lengths and say very little. Every succeful politician does this.

I would see a black guy getting elected before a woman. Throughout history blacks have gotten their rights before women.

Originally Posted by pLuraList

lets not forget that this earth that we live in is very much a battle field with both opposing sides. don't discount the fact that evil reigns high and low.. and it is up to each person to decide which side they're going to fight for.

Good and evil doesn't reign like in comic books where you know who the bad guys are. Most evil deeds are done in the name of profit. The real evil people wear suits. Drawing a line in the sand? Think about the clothes you wear, the food you eat and the people that get exploited so you can have them. That is evil.

[moogle]

Originally Posted by Spunkt

I have seen a few speeches he has given and he has been direct about what he wants. A politicians job is to talk at lengths and say very little. Every succeful politician does this.

I would see a black guy getting elected before a woman. Throughout history blacks have gotten their rights before women.

except in America. White Women in the early 1900's had more freedom, rights, and power than any black men or women. So, that concept is not all throughout.

[Spunkt]

Originally Posted by moogle

lol, last I heard this world is full of sin, there is no such nation that is perfect, but the system that we have trumps all other nations in almost every way possible, thus why many people from all over the world migrate over here, for the freedom and the system that this nation offer, and remember the system is set by you and me, so vote. If you look @ the many republics today, they copy or try to imitate our system, like the French Republic in the 1900's, when they wipe out their kings and started a democracy - they look @ our system and ways of conduct to make a country grow. This is a sinful world, and there has been wars, destruction, famine, and killing that have been going on since the creation or the big bang. But it does not mean, we can't make a change, I want this country to grow for the better, that is why I do my part to vote and hopefully attain power in the big business world to move the system, for the better, hopefully. Plus as far as intelligence, I am talking about as people of a nation overall, shoot, even ravelinks has bunch of retards and druggies that make this board look dumb, but overall, this forum is awesome - I love this forum because of the free belief and post what ever one feels like, and I will stay here until its over - like America.

I am not one of those Christians that believes in everything should be fair, as I don't care for the lazy ass's or dumb ass's that don't care about anything but themselves, fuck them.

A few things are wrong with what you are saying: 1. The republic we made is copied from other people and counties, such as Rome and Greece. Many of the process we have, such as impeachment, also come from Latin American countries. If other countries copy us, we are coping other countries.
2. Other countries do Democracy better then we do. Germany has many more political parties than we do. Two is not enough, it really isn't a choice. Along with better Democracy, other countries treat their people better. Sweden's health care system and educational system destroys ours. Most Europeans countries have their children learn at least three different languages. Even Cuba, which is a third world country because of the trade embargo(Explain how thats not evil and two faced of us) has an incredible health care system. They have free medical school there.
3. The people migrating here from Mexico are migrating here because U.S. trade policies(and a shitty puppet Mexican gov't) destroyed their economies. (Learn more about the Zapatista movement)
4. Intelligence? Less people in American believe in Evolution, the only country that surpasses us in that is Turkey. How about how Americans have no idea of our real history. Most people still believe Columbus discovered America and that is where we start American history.
5. Our Drug laws are ass backward. I don't care if someone is drug free, how we treat drugs in America is complete nonsense. The idea that we can wipe out all drugs is insane. Amsterdam does a fine job with how they treat drugs.

Lazy asses and Dumb asses? Last time I checked a lot of the elite rich were born rich and didn't make their own money. Statistically, the money bracket you are born into, you will die into. People don't move up in this country. The poor stay poor, while the rich stay rich.

Now, Why is america better?

[seanscar]

The reason he cannot be charged is because he has not done anything in violation of the Constitution Directly. The patriot act is highly controversial but it was approved by congress. Unless he does something to be able to be impeached he will remain in office, even though he is a pain in the ass. Something like Clinton's lying in a federal court under oath, is breaking the constitution, therefore allowing impeachment. But for now you will have to deal with the fucking texan.

[Spunkt]

Originally Posted by moogle

except in America. White Women in the early 1900's had more freedom, rights, and power than any black men or women. So, that concept is not all throughout.

You are wrong. Black men could vote in 1878. Women got the right to vote in 1919.

Originally Posted by seanscar

The reason he cannot be charged is because he has not done anything in violation of the Constitution Directly. The patriot act is highly controversial but it was approved by congress. Unless he does something to be able to be impeached he will remain in office, even though he is a pain in the ass. Something like Clinton's lying in a federal court under oath, is breaking the constitution, therefore allowing impeachment. But for now you will have to deal with the fucking texan.

He has violated many international laws, and completely ignored the world court. I would also say lying about the reasons to go into Iraq as lying.

[moogle]

Originally Posted by Spunkt

A few things are wrong with what you are saying: 1. The republic we made is copied from other people and counties, such as Rome and Greece. Many of the process we have, such as impeachment, also come from Latin American countries. If other countries copy us, we are coping other countries.
2. Other countries do Democracy better then we do. Germany has many more political parties than we do. Two is not enough, it really isn't a choice. Along with better Democracy, other countries treat their people better. Sweden's health care system and educational system destroys ours. Most Europeans countries have their children learn at least three different languages. Even Cuba, which is a third world country because of the trade embargo(Explain how thats not evil and two faced of us) has an incredible health care system. They have free medical school there.
3. The people migrating here from Mexico are migrating here because U.S. trade policies(and a shitty puppet Mexican gov't) destroyed their economies. (Learn more about the Zapatista movement)
4. Intelligence? Less people in American believe in Evolution, the only country that surpasses us in that is Turkey. How about how Americans have no idea of our real history. Most people still believe Columbus discovered America and that is where we start American history.
5. Our Drug laws are ass backward. I don't care if someone is drug free, how we treat drugs in America is complete nonsense. The idea that we can wipe out all drugs is insane. Amsterdam does a fine job with how they treat drugs.

Lazy asses and Dumb asses? Last time I checked a lot of the elite rich were born rich and didn't make their own money. Statistically, the money bracket you are born into, you will die into. People don't move up in this country. The poor stay poor, while the rich stay rich.

Now, Why is america better?

wow, wow, wow, if I wanted to get technical, I could go on an do that, I am talking about America as a whole. That was my main point the whole time, if I wanted to get details, America is below in a lot of things. I careless about the details on which is which #1 in stats, I am talking about the overall feeling of being in a country. I have lived in many countries and so far, America in a overall system, is the best. Just because others have #1 in some area's does not mean that its better. Trust me, if one have lived anywhere outside of the U.S of A, for @least six month's, one can get the feel, that there is no where else like America. Have you lived anywhere outside of this country?

As far as what you said where the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich, that concept is true throughout the world, but not in America. One can do anything and become a millionaire, look @ rappers, but more of rags to riches is my inspiration like: Oprah, Michael Jordan, Bill gates, or lets go back to early times after the civil war: Andrew Carnegie that wrote "The Gospels of Wealth," he started out making less than $1 a day, to owning more than $500 million dollars and becoming the richest person in the world in the late 1800's. So your evidence of poor staying poor, or rich staying rich, is a false one. As another evidence is my family. We were in the low of the low's, with my parents only making 30,000 a year, combined income, when we first had arrived in America. Now, lets just say, we are well of, and I know, I KNOW, I am going to excel and do way better than my parents and make more, and my parents came here with less than $5000. As long as one has the burning desire to achieve for the better, it will come.

-end rant

Originally Posted by Spunkt

You are wrong. Black men could vote in 1878. Women got the right to vote in 1919.



He has violated many international laws, and completely ignored the world court. I would also say lying about the reasons to go into Iraq as lying.

I did not say could vote - I said power, rights and freedom, and the white womens did have them more so than the colored men - you are wrong.

[*Bonkers<3*]

some of you people...

are acting like ignorant/arrogant politics.

[Spunkt]

Originally Posted by moogle

wow, wow, wow, if I wanted to get technical, I could go on an do that, I am talking about America as a whole. That was my main point the whole time, if I wanted to get details, America is below in a lot of things. I careless about the details on which is which #1 in stats, I am talking about the overall feeling of being in a country. I have lived in many countries and so far, America in a overall system, is the best. Just because others have #1 in some area's does not mean that its better. Trust me, if one have lived anywhere outside of the U.S of A, for @least six month's, one can get the feel, that there is no where else like America. Have you lived anywhere outside of this country?

As far as what you said where the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich, that concept is true throughout the world, but not in America. One can do anything and become a millionaire, look @ rappers, but more of rags to riches is my inspiration like: Oprah, Michael Jordan, Bill gates, or lets go back to early times after the civil war: Andrew Carnegie that wrote "The Gospels of Wealth," he started out making less than $1 a day, to owning more than $500 million dollars and becoming the richest person in the world in the late 1800's. So your evidence of poor staying poor, or rich staying rich, is a false one. As another evidence is my family. We were in the low of the low's, with my parents only making 30,000 a year, combined income, when we first had arrived in America. Now, lets just say, we are well of, and I know, I KNOW, I am going to excel and do way better than my parents and make more, and my parents came here with less than $5000. As long as one has the burning desire to achieve for the better, it will come.

-end rant



I did not say could vote - I said power, rights and freedom, and the white womens did have them more so than the colored men - you are wrong.

Over all feel? If you are saying over all feel this is subjective and not an argument. How about my over all feel that Americans are rude ignorance assholes? How about my feel that Americans give a shit less about anyone, including the troops but then put a yellow ribbon on their gas guzzling SUVs? Over all feel isn't an argument. I lived on a U.S. Army base over in Qatar. I went to Amsterdam and England. I now live in America. This place is full of assholes who give a shit less about other human beings. This is my overall feel, even in college I have ignorant assholes who say "Reading is stupid."

Statistics, Moogle, Statistics. If an overwhelming majority of people are going to stay poor, then your token cases are just flukes. How about the assholes who stay rich by doing nothing such as Sport Stars and Actors? Lets talk about the assholes after the civil war. How the exploited workers... Don't bring up any of those cases because they were evil men who fucked over the people who worked for them.

Rappers? Are you serious? Most of the mainstream, wealthy rappers are produced by white men in suits looking to fill a niche in the pop charts. They didn't work hard, they just have catchy tunes and were lucky.

Once again, these are token, and rare cases. When the overwhelming majority of people stay poor that has to make you think. Since you wanted to make this disussion personal by asking about me, I will also. Why are you stuck in the mindset that a person can do anything in america like this is some land of milk and honey? "Chained to the dream you are searching for."-RATM. Your mind set is stuck in how the history books teach history, The Great Man Theory and the Great March Theory. Go read "A People's History of the UNited States of America" by Howard Zinn and then read "Lies my Teacher Told Me" Open your eyes, you are looking at history in the Old Historicism way.

I need you to give me more than just "Over all feel" because that has nothing to do with how America runs itself. Facts are good. Because I can bring up a lot of different people who have had a bad time in America.

And onto who had power. Women still had less rights than Black men did. What powers did they have? I gave you proof backing my claim, where is yours?

[ecto]

seriosuly, stop.
druggie pseudo-political rhetoric is non-sensical.

[Spunkt]

Originally Posted by ecto

seriosuly, stop.
druggie pseudo-political rhetoric is non-sensical.

Who are you talking to?

I am pretty sure you are not aiming this at me.

[ecto]

i'm talking about all you foos.
but a peoples history is a good book.