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[liquidoleg]

Thank you for your insight and knowledge on this topic Raverkid00. I appreciate it.

Well I would consider alot of nations that arent in Western Europe and America to be "The West". I think its a more general term than how you are using it.

Something to think about for now. Let me read up on this and I will come back with more to say

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by liquidoleg

Well I would consider alot of nations that arent in Western Europe and America to be "The West". I think its a more general term than how you are using it.

Well, try to keep one thing in mind...you can't expect someone to sum up 5,000+ years of socio-economic and political history in a few paragraphs on a blog.

later.

[foxysteve]

Your right, they would not accept an islamic backed gov't. But i think they would also be quite pissed about the huge Christian influence.

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by foxysteve

Your right, they would not accept an islamic backed gov't. But i think they would also be quite pissed about the huge Christian influence.

I doubt that seriously. After all, the "Christian influence" of now isn't that much different from the various Christian influences of the period. Just seems that way because of our modern media miracles. lol

[foxysteve]

Originally Posted by Raverkid00

I doubt that seriously. After all, the "Christian influence" of now isn't that much different from the various Christian influences of the period. Just seems that way because of our modern media miracles. lol

So why did they want a seperation between church and state?

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by foxysteve

So why did they want a seperation between church and state?

All they meant was that the federal government could not become a theocracy. You actually need to do your own research on the period...you'd find that this had nothing to do with rights retained by the states and people. After the Constitution was ratified the political power of the Quakers in Pennsylvania, and the fact that Massachusetts maintained and official state religion are just two examples that come to mind.

Don't confuse your modern day assumptions about the meaning and motivations attributed to those men back in that time. Research wil show that what people think now about what was meant back then is quite a ways different from the actual realities of the situation.

[foxysteve]

Yes, but it seems that some political leaders and many Americans are trying more and more to make this a Christian theocracy.

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by foxysteve

Yes, but it seems that some political leaders and many Americans are trying more and more to make this a Christian theocracy.

Its just a backlash against perceived immorality. Most Americans who consider themselves Christian aren't interested in turning the nation into a theocracy.

However, they do worry about the extravagant use of that "seperation of church and state" issue to remove pledges of allegiance from schools, copies of the ten commandments and old Christian statues and memorials from public places, and turning Christmas into a "general, commercial holiday" instead of recognizing it as the religious celebration it is supposed to be.

So when radical "Christians" mobilize to establish repressive moral laws, they often cloak their real but hidden agendas behind these "reasonable" fronts and get things passed as laws that most American Christians wouldn't normally tolerate but feel the need to support to protect the morals they do want to maintain.

I am not trying to justify it because I am horrified by it myself. But at the same time I am also horrified by the self-centered, self-pitying, it's always someone elses fault, irresponsible, disrespectful and utterly PC society we have become.

[foxysteve]

Yeah, i definatly agree but we live in interesting times where new and unforseen issues keep comming up all over the place. Its amazing to see the extreems on both sides. Theres the racists and the religion fundamentalists on one side and the PCers and the radical left on the other. Both sides keep scaring up the other sides and the results are still up in the air!

Oh how i love waching from center (ok, slightly left) feild.

[liquidoleg]

Originally Posted by Raverkid00

I am not trying to justify it because I am horrified by it myself. But at the same time I am also horrified by the self-centered, self-pitying, it's always someone elses fault, irresponsible, disrespectful and utterly PC society we have become.

become? I think we started off that way...

[foxysteve]

Realy, sterted that way when? How so?

[uhcamoh]

Most mainstream, organized religions (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism) are businesses. They have nothing to offer for the "better" of humanity and are all simply a hinderance to mankind's future.