College Shooting at Virginia Tech

[Mike n Ike]

Last I checked there were 31 dead and 21 injured.

[Incoherent]

fuckin horrible....people cant leave there petty drama BS at HS so they got to bring it to college?

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Mike n Ike

Last I checked there were 31 dead and 21 injured.

Ok, and your point is??????

[Mike n Ike]

Nothing, I'm just curious about people's thoughts on the matter.

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Mike n Ike

Nothing, I'm just curious about people's thoughts on the matter.

I see... well then:

108 people were killed in methane explosion at a Siberian coal mine today because someone deliberately shut off some safety equipment.

10 Iraqi Police were killed and 10 were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up at a training site today.

33 people were killed and 200 more wounded by an by Al Qaeda bomb attack in Algeria on Apr 11th.

400 people in a town were massacred by rebel militiamen in Chad on April 10th.

20,000 children under 5 died of AIDS in Mozambique last year.

so?

[Incoherent]

what a jackass.....


Whats weird is that there were two seprate shooting at the college, supposedly a guy had gotten into an arguement with his girlfriend bcuz he thought she was cheating. A security came over to confront them . Then supposedly he produced a gun and shot her.

I think that guy actually got arrested and hes being held right now. Now 2 hour later after the first shooting someone walked into a dorm across the way and opened fire killing 32 people...then killing himnself. Now hats stranger bout this is...was there Two seprate gunmen working togehter? or is it just an uncanny coincidence coincidence?

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Incoherent

what a jackass.....


Whats weird is that there were two seprate shooting at the college, supposedly a guy had gotten into an arguement with his girlfriend bcuz he thought she was cheating. A security came over to confront them . Then supposedly he produced a gun and shot her.

I think that guy actually got arrested and hes being held right now. Now 2 hour later after the first shooting someone walked into a dorm across the way and opened fire killing 32 people...then killing himnself. Now hats stranger bout this is...was there Two seprate gunmen working togehter? or is it just an uncanny coincidence coincidence?

No, it was the same guy who did both sets of shootings and he committed suicide when his ammo ran low. "The Virginia Tech Police Department identified him as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea in the English department."

I still wonder why this particular incident is supposed to be more important than any other similar incident happening around the world.

[Astridddddd]

Originally Posted by Raverkid00

No, it was the same guy who did both sets of shootings and he committed suicide when his ammo ran low. "The Virginia Tech Police Department identified him as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a senior from South Korea in the English department."

I still wonder why this particular incident is supposed to be more important than any other similar incident happening around the world.

its not more important. no human life is of more worth than other...

but it is still important. what upsets me the most is that there was not a more public anouncement that there were shootings on their campus, and no one had been apprehended. im sure if more people were aware they wouldnt have gone to class. from what i gather all that they did was send out an email? not legit.

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Astridddddd

its not more important. no human life is of more worth than other...

but it is still important. what upsets me the most is that there was not a more public anouncement that there were shootings on their campus, and no one had been apprehended. im sure if more people were aware they wouldnt have gone to class. from what i gather all that they did was send out an email? not legit.

I see. Ok, well think about it. A University campus is not like a High School. There usually aren't Public Address systems set up to cover the whole school, if there are any at all. Also, the campus is like a small town with about 25,000 people on it at any one time. Without a PA system how would you warn all of them? What would you say anyway...since all you know about is what happened, not who, and where he or she is now?

Now imagine if there were a PA system though, and being on campus hearing an announcement being repeated over and over..."There has been a shooting incident on campus, all students are asked to calmly leave campus and return home." Human nature being what it is, some people would panic, some take advantage of the situation to cause mischief, and others would wander the campus trying to see what happened out of curiousity. Problems arise.

But lets say people do calmly begin to leave campus...and the kid with the guns hears the announcement and notices this mass migration... after all he is still on campus too. You think he wouldn't just unload his guns on the first large group he sees and keep on doing it until he runs out of ammo? Apparently that's what he did without the announcements, only waiting to go to a particular college area instead of shooting everyone he saw right away.

I guess what I always have a problem with is that after the fact people are always trying to second guess what coulda, woulda, shoulda happened if it were up to them. Now it is a sad fact that people do stupid things which cause other people to get hurt or killed on a daily basis. That's life ok? No second guessing, no restrictions on individual liberties, no utopian programs are likely to stop this because it is a fact of life. No matter what you do, someone will go crazy and kill someone else.

So, feel sad, feel concerned, feel outrage, whatever makes you able to deal with it. But also accept reality. Remember, it was public outrage crying out "someone has to do something to prevent...." that caused all those new laws restricting your rights to party.

[Astridddddd]

Originally Posted by Raverkid00

I see. Ok, well think about it. A University campus is not like a High School. There usually aren't Public Address systems set up to cover the whole school, if there are any at all. Also, the campus is like a small town with about 25,000 people on it at any one time. Without a PA system how would you warn all of them? What would you say anyway...since all you know about is what happened, not who, and where he or she is now?

Now imagine if there were a PA system though, and being on campus hearing an announcement being repeated over and over..."There has been a shooting incident on campus, all students are asked to calmly leave campus and return home." Human nature being what it is, some people would panic, some take advantage of the situation to cause mischief, and others would wander the campus trying to see what happened out of curiousity. Problems arise.

But lets say people do calmly begin to leave campus...and the kid with the guns hears the announcement and notices this mass migration... after all he is still on campus too. You think he wouldn't just unload his guns on the first large group he sees and keep on doing it until he runs out of ammo? Apparently that's what he did without the announcements, only waiting to go to a particular college area instead of shooting everyone he saw right away.

I guess what I always have a problem with is that after the fact people are always trying to second guess what coulda, woulda, shoulda happened if it were up to them. Now it is a sad fact that people do stupid things which cause other people to get hurt or killed on a daily basis. That's life ok? No second guessing, no restrictions on individual liberties, no utopian programs are likely to stop this because it is a fact of life. No matter what you do, someone will go crazy and kill someone else.

So, feel sad, feel concerned, feel outrage, whatever makes you able to deal with it. But also accept reality. Remember, it was public outrage crying out "someone has to do something to prevent...." that caused all those new laws restricting your rights to party.

i realize the logistics of a university, as i live at one. but it seems only logical to me that classes would be cancelled, the school would be put on full alert, and students would be told to remain in their rooms until further notice. and schools do indeed have all-encompassing email directories. it would be entirely nonsensical for them to not, as students receive an email address from their school upon registration.

[Raverkid00]

Originally Posted by Astridddddd

i realize the logistics of a university, as i live at one. but it seems only logical to me that classes would be cancelled, the school would be put on full alert, and students would be told to remain in their rooms until further notice. and schools do indeed have all-encompassing email directories. it would be entirely nonsensical for them to not, as students receive an email address from their school upon registration.

Well, now that more facts are coming in, a proper, un-emotional analysis can begin.

Since the first shooting took place at 7:15 in the morning, there was plenty of time for the University to shut down before start of classes. That was the main mistake in this whole situation.

It would take a combination of a general e-mail alert (which most people don’t tend to read) AND police presence at parking structures and entrances to the campus to tell people to go home. This is do-able.

I am still not sure if campus police, jealous of their prerogatives even though not qualified for this sort of investigation, delayed involving the city/state police in the homicide investigation right away.

Ok, so there are some things which could have been done in THIS situation. That does not mean that a different situation would have allowed for the same set of responses.

For example, imagine the first shootings took place during a busy part of the day? Then following a scenario of sending e-mail alerts and trying to shut down the University would be significantly more problematic. There is no such thing as a standard response that will prove valuable or effective in every emergency situation that arises. Try to keep that in mind is all I am advocating.