uh, small car dealer sells e and ug rAVE IN SJ

[freund]

you guys are butters fans huh, i saw your sig, it said if iwas in your area we could kick it... i used to go to UCDavis in 90... we thru raves under the causeway right before 80 goes over the rice fields...

hjundres of like minded peeps showing up. it was amazgin i love davis.

you also said if i was in the area i could come kick it.

can i just come by and kick you? that would be better all the way around.

so HAI GUYS!!! lets have a party, but not at a house, then we cnat call it a rave! oh noes!

1 peice of advice.. davis smells like cow shit, so i assume you do to. so what do you shitters do. take e, and play cow shit bingo?

[ray_trace]

I'm starting to think I actually know who freund is.

I've known Martin O'Brien. Didn't go to that specific Vallejo party in '92 but I've been to plenty close enough, so I see the difference.

The question is, what are you trying to accomplish?? Chastise? Belittle? Entertain yourself? Make yourself feel better?

These kids have no idea what you're talking about. Really. I could go on for days about how bullshit the scene is compared to 12 years ago. But really, was it still not fucked up then? DJ's were still jockeying for position, money was to be made, drugs to be slang.

I agree the purity of intention has dissolved, the scene today has lost its footing. There will never ever be an early '90s rave scene again. So what? Walk away, contribute towards change, or troll from your 'puter. It's easy to complain when you're not part of the solution.

[Klover]

Originally Posted by ray_trace

It's easy to complain when you're not part of the solution.

Originally Posted by ray_trace

It's easy to complain when you're not part of the solution.

Originally Posted by ray_trace

It's easy to complain when you're not part of the solution.

Originally Posted by ray_trace

It's easy to complain when you're not part of the solution.

Originally Posted by ray_trace

It's easy to complain when you're not part of the solution.

exactly.

and in regards to the scene being like the 90s, i really do want to eventually throw parties in abandoned buildings and in more renegade locations eventually....sure nothing like the early 90s but closer to that of "groove" style.

i'll post more about the evolution of the rave scene later in the day

[800m]

I must have really struck a nerve with you, freund ol buddy.

Hey freund, can we hear more about how cooooool you were back in the day? I'm just in awe about the good ol raver days. I mean, you must still be the same cool raver kid, not some jaded loser trying to feel good about himself by talking shit on a rave forum, right? Damn you're awesome.

I find it a bit hard to believe you went to Davis though. But maybe the standards for writing were a lot less back then

O, and dude, we should definitely kick it. Come on by and show me how it's done

[Derly]

I am have chemical imbalance in brain, make me jaded raver, no write skills... BLah blah blah troll.

[freund]

ray its not about wanting to go back in time to go to halims chutes and ladders so every got free cid and candflipped at the same time.
its a very simple thing.

butter, or k-lover decided to make fun of me cause i joined up and just said i went to a rave at a house.
then every person had to make fun. i see why tho. they are a famous rave crime fighting team. they say raves only can happen in a warehouse. not a house. you silly little mispelling tyke. you dont know a thing about e or raves.

well, i decided yes, i do know more than anyone here. so im writing MY trainspotting. but there is no renton, no H, just butters and his super crew of rave fighting bois. cause raves only happen in a warehouse. then the music i said i liked, i was laffed at. chidded. noone ever should be put thru this shit. ever. so butters is my new star of my new book called 'im captian special k, wiht a rave squad' 'we will kill the rave scene while we demean women and make our selves feel so much better cause we told off a newbie'

hahahha. im no newbie butters! ive raved on three continents. in bomb shelters, i saw the birth of trance, i gazed upon the majesty of the oneall peak. raves dont last forever. see as a college student that is educated. i read books by hykem bey. its too hard for you guys, but its called TAZ. it was the blueprint for rave. and since you dont know what TAZ means your stepping on my friends from davis cow shitting bingo playground.
i have raved over 17 years, seen amazng dj's, ive played at over 200 raves, opend for de la soul at planet rock. even did this highly respected rave every one creams over that rymes wiht 'vest'. but what iove about butters is his lack of regard for anyone but himself and the few that feed off the milk that seeps from his ass. i mean raving since 07. i cant even comprehend that. its just too much for my 12 yr old mind to hadled. and i grew up in a very differnt country. we didn't speak english all day. we didnt learn to shot up schools, no we were smart bilingual kids of parents that were, well im not gonna say. cause its too secret. i dont want butters hole to pucker into infinty by saying. like some collapsing black whole.... hhahha black hole, a pun that was fun!
but when you see the birth of trance in 90 in front of your own eyes, you have to get glasses next, its to damn amazing. and raving in bomb shelters 3 stories under ground. wow. its like WWII turned into BASS and ACID and a new era.
there is nothing new now. butter made fun of me cause i said i liked those robot guys.. does butter now tomas bangalte, and giu manuel ect.. invented frech house? no he had to make fun of me. and say i coulnt spell, and any place that plays kanye west is a thizz party. weill, i would say, your being racist there butters...MAC-DRE used thizz. he made the thizz face. so are you impying that only blacks would hang out at a thizz party?
i think you are. were you lynched being the only white boy, deep, deep in lousiana, and baptist bible camp. crying when the kids said texas screw is the bomb, but you were no atl crunk is where its at. but im white and i dress like peter pan? i dont knw a thing but staying a boy. you are a boy. you have too much to learn. one saying i always heard on base was, you are DOOMED to repeat the past if you dont go forward.
butters lets go forward. hand in hand. ill teach you about the last 20 yrs, and you can teach me about felching cause i sterotype too. ya knob. your no better that anyone. we are all the same, we are all equal. to treat someone like shit because they have funny music, or slanty eyes, or thizzy music is wrong and you will never understand this.
ever. i would really like to drive you to boony doon and have you try to picture a rainbow of 10,000 people over 28 hrs. but you would laff, and tell me to go to bluelight so i can learn to make pure chrissy from my crappy yellow stuff.
and dood. stop saying that your name is cl-over. if it is, please spell it like that. when its like k lover we all know you are cliimbin down a hole to forget that john fro the bthroom last nite. look at my making more sterotypes. i say its wrong. but you taught me otherwise.

im really glad you never met diane, preston, rick preston, harry who?, brandon yee, tony, jeno, garth, doc, derrick carter, noel, buck, moonpup, mischa, manny, halim, jelco, andy astral matrix, 303 terrorits (thats me, you did meet me), dutch, greg s, martin o brien, preston and lacy, eric spire my partner in raves and record labels, the silent records crew, john aqaviva, joey beltram, richie hawtin, claude atkins, mr lee, roy davis jnr, cybotron, hot city 5, and so many more that invented this sound going back to 82 on up. its a good thing. your not welcome at the big boy table, hell your not even welcome at the little table, go clean up that throw up on isle 3... 07. im the RAVEMASTER!!!!!!!!!! good fukin god... sie sind sehr STOOPID! uneducated, uncultured, no more brains than a dead scare crow...
you dont know. you did not need to start on me. i was pefectly fine.
butters you are going to be used as a lesson for all. about humility, understanding, learning, accepting, and finally admitting you named yourself after special k... is alright. other raver did worse. hell, you could have been rainbow brite, or goatse.x.. hell zoo..

go learn from a book for awhile, turn off the board. read TAZ. if you dont get the big words i do have this book called a dicktionary HEH STOP LAFFFIJNG i know it says dick. but its not.


the end...

this story of rejection, fasle idoltry, cow dung bingo, not knowing you have a nose on your face, beating down people cause rico sauve told you, turn into redemption.
onyl if you leave. go to arizona, there is a big harcore scene there. fire island seems to be the place for our little peter pan.

Originally Posted by 800m

I must have really struck a nerve with you, freund ol buddy.

Hey freund, can we hear more about how cooooool you were back in the day? I'm just in awe about the good ol raver days. I mean, you must still be the same cool raver kid, not some jaded loser trying to feel good about himself by talking shit on a rave forum, right? Damn you're awesome.

I find it a bit hard to believe you went to Davis though. But maybe the standards for writing were a lot less back then

O, and dude, we should definitely kick it. Come on by and show me how it's done

wow. you to must be boy e and candy fllop. davis is horrible its not a good school. so many, many people left from there on to better things. im not gonna argue with cow pie bingo casue i knows ya love it. all good. just stop jizzing on each other and stop sucking butter dick. for a minute. its not even jizz coming out. its just nasty raver funk. and it kills all raves! but i dont expect some bohunks from a cow town to understand 25,000 peeps at once. i mean you guys play ZOO all day; just hoping you dont have your colon peferarting. ya freaks

Originally Posted by 800m

I must have really struck a nerve with you, freund ol buddy.

Hey freund, can we hear more about how cooooool you were back in the day? I'm just in awe about the good ol raver days. I mean, you must still be the same cool raver kid, not some jaded loser trying to feel good about himself by talking shit on a rave forum, right? Damn you're awesome.

I find it a bit hard to believe you went to Davis though. But maybe the standards for writing were a lot less back then

O, and dude, we should definitely kick it. Come on by and show me how it's done

i was in the right place at the right time, just like you two animals playing zoo at the aggi school. stop sucking cow dick, get the horse dick out of your ass, our i wil see your new movie at sundance next year, ya freaks.

Originally Posted by Klover

exactly.

and in regards to the scene being like the 90s, i really do want to eventually throw parties in abandoned buildings and in more renegade locations eventually....sure nothing like the early 90s but closer to that of "groove" style.

i'll post more about the evolution of the rave scene later in the day

oh my god! you are christ! i mean making a scene not from a prior scene but from a movie. you are special. god. why dont you mix up groove, midsummer nite rave, go, and harry potter. youll need the magic. raves here in SF were not at warehouse. they were all at clubs that had 24 liscense, but had to stop servinv liqour at 2am. basemnt of 1015, the stone, DV8, big heart city, townsend. it was latter days it moved to warehouse, and no one will give a permit to do one now. ever. i thkn if harrty kills voldemort you will save the rave scene. and groove was shot in one place with a bunch of peeps from SFRAVES. but i know you didnt know that. you dont even know sound pressure waves... fundamentals son... go read chronicals of narnia, you would be getting closer to your goal of being good, without have to play god. i hear the dood that did EST is still in SF. maybe you can pay him 10k and he will tell you, k lover, you are loved..
your too funny butters.
idealistic, wihtout any ideas
good way to go things
it just makes no sense
but i do applaud your sense of making fun of people because, as every miliitary junta knows you need peeps beileving in you first. i jsut see peter pan, and his soggy pants. and you will cry. pressure waves. its not just chord a into slot b like how you play with bois, you have to know math, lfos, how low a human ear can hear, but you seem to knwo what your doing. man on butters!

[ray_trace]

Okay I defnitely know who fruend is now. And he's known me for about 12-13 years.

Sup bro? You're too funny. Oh, and I saw Noah last weekend, we both spun at a friend's house party (i'm not a DJ though).

Still not sure what you're trying to accomplish, beating down kids because they're naive. Of course they're naive, they're KIDS! So what? They'll figure it out eventually, or not. I may be jaded, but I'm not bitter-jaded.

[sam_138]

Originally Posted by dannyg

If you went to a place blasting fucking Kanye West and hiphop you definitely did not go to a rave.

Kanye West is headlining Global Gathering this year.
Not that I think the house party he went to was a rave, just stating a fact.

Btw, this thread makes me laugh hardcore.
I'd be so pissed if someone sold me excedrin.
That's why if I do drugs I get them from dealers I know.
'Cause hell, you're lucky that shit was just excedrin and no something that could have really fucked with you.
I hardly ever buy pills at raves.
Think about what you are putting in your body instead of just popping anything you can find.

Except some of the best pills I have ever had was from some ghetto dude at a house party is South City for like 3.50 a pop.
Didn't pop them there but had them later and they were nice.
But still that is completely different than at a rave, everyone knew him, I actually had a chance to talk to him and everyone at the party, including himself, had taken them.

[dannyg]

Originally Posted by sam_138

Kanye West is headlining Global Gathering this year.
Not that I think the house party he went to was a rave, just stating a fact.

Btw, this thread makes me laugh hardcore.
I'd be so pissed if someone sold me excedrin.
That's why if I do drugs I get them from dealers I know.
'Cause hell, you're lucky that shit was just excedrin and no something that could have really fucked with you.
I hardly ever buy pills at raves.
Think about what you are putting in your body instead of just popping anything you can find.

Except some of the best pills I have ever had was from some ghetto dude at a house party is South City for like 3.50 a pop.
Didn't pop them there but had them later and they were nice.
But still that is completely different than at a rave, everyone knew him, I actually had a chance to talk to him and everyone at the party, including himself, had taken them.

So? Global Gathering can suck these nuts.

[Klover]

I honestly do not see why you are personally attacking me.

this was my first response to your OP:

Originally Posted by Klover

Most of your posts have been about drugs. or a large focus on them.
and...maybe fix your typos a little?

I'm sorry....but this post...
[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]


I should have added "try typing coherently" to it.

and YOU DID GET SOLD FUCKING EXCEDRIN!!!

you felt like you drank coffee cause it has caffeine in it.

and what you went to was not a rave.

i hope you're just someone posting for fun or a troller...or a NARC with the best sense of humor ever....

and then before you started insulting me directly i linked that to you as well because i did think you were a little kid, wanted to type better, and to understand why you were getting certain responses.

In no way did I make myself seem like some sort of rave god or king of these forums. In fact, if anyone is being an elitist here it is you with your illusions of superiority because you are older and were therefore capable of being in the scene in the early nineties.

Originally Posted by freund

butter, or k-lover decided to make fun of me cause i joined up and just said i went to a rave at a house.
then every person had to make fun. i see why tho. they are a famous rave crime fighting team. they say raves only can happen in a warehouse. not a house. you silly little mispelling tyke. you dont know a thing about e or raves.

I did not make fun of you except for your spelling and if you had made that same OP on another forum, you would have gotten way harsher responses.
I simply stated that what you went to was not a rave, and i think everyone will agree that what you described is more of a house party. I have nothing against house parties and at times enjoy them more than raves myself.

I don't even understand the "butter" name calling. from south-park? I've only seen maybe 5 episodes of south park. But i find it odd that while you think i'm the one being insulting, you've created this into a game of name calling.

"Klover" is my rave name. So okay, you do not like it or you think it is stupid. thats fine i don't really care what you think its one of my persona's and i personally enjoy it. are you saying in your prime time in the 90s nobody had weird names?

there is a DJ named X-Lax....should we make fun of him? its just a damn name.

Originally Posted by freund

well, i decided yes, i do know more than anyone here. so im writing MY trainspotting. but there is no renton, no H, just butters and his super crew of rave fighting bois. cause raves only happen in a warehouse. then the music i said i liked, i was laffed at. chidded. noone ever should be put thru this shit. ever. so butters is my new star of my new book called 'im captian special k, wiht a rave squad' 'we will kill the rave scene while we demean women and make our selves feel so much better cause we told off a newbie'

Why do you keep going back to "raves only happen in a warehouse?
I never once mentioned that raves are only in warehouses. I personally like a dirty feel to undergrounds, but i also love nice and fancy venues like the Regency or art galleries used for mini-massives.

And i also have no clue where you get this idea that i have a following of ravers backing me and fighting against you.
people agree with me because it is their choice and maybe their opinion is the same.
As to your OP, people were saying the same things i said, but more, regardless of what i typed.
I in know way so i can say i "told off a newbie." in fact, i linked you to the into and picture thread so we could welcome you. And demean women? thats just you trolling there.

If anything freund, your bitter-jaded-ness is what keeps newbies from enjoying the scene and away from these forums.

Originally Posted by freund

hahahha. im no newbie butters! ive raved on three continents. in bomb shelters, i saw the birth of trance, i gazed upon the majesty of the oneall peak. raves dont last forever. see as a college student that is educated. i read books by hykem bey. its too hard for you guys, but its called TAZ. it was the blueprint for rave. and since you dont know what TAZ means your stepping on my friends from davis cow shitting bingo playground.

do you mean Hakim Bey? geee....you even spelled his name wrong.
and TAZ is in no way a "blueprint" for a rave.

Now, once again, while for some reason you think im being elitist and superior, you post this:

Originally Posted by freund

i have raved over 17 years, seen amazng dj's, ive played at over 200 raves, opend for de la soul at planet rock. even did this highly respected rave every one creams over that rymes wiht 'vest'. but what iove about butters is his lack of regard for anyone but himself and the few that feed off the milk that seeps from his ass. i mean raving since 07. i cant even comprehend that. its just too much for my 12 yr old mind to hadled. and i grew up in a very differnt country. we didn't speak english all day. we didnt learn to shot up schools, no we were smart bilingual kids of parents that were, well im not gonna say. cause its too secret. i dont want butters hole to pucker into infinty by saying. like some collapsing black whole.... hhahha black hole, a pun that was fun!

to this, all i have to offer is:

Originally Posted by freund

but when you see the birth of trance in 90 in front of your own eyes, you have to get glasses next, its to damn amazing. and raving in bomb shelters 3 stories under ground. wow. its like WWII turned into BASS and ACID and a new era.
there is nothing new now. butter made fun of me cause i said i liked those robot guys.. does butter now tomas bangalte, and giu manuel ect.. invented frech house? no he had to make fun of me. and say i coulnt spell, and any place that plays kanye west is a thizz party. weill, i would say, your being racist there butters...MAC-DRE used thizz. he made the thizz face. so are you impying that only blacks would hang out at a thizz party?

i think you are. were you lynched being the only white boy, deep, deep in lousiana, and baptist bible camp. crying when the kids said texas screw is the bomb, but you were no atl crunk is where its at. but im white and i dress like peter pan? i dont knw a thing but staying a boy. you are a boy. you have too much to learn. one saying i always heard on base was, you are DOOMED to repeat the past if you dont go forward.

I not once hated on the type of music you posted about or hyphy culture. I actually like certain aspects of hyphy culture.

point out where i was racist please.

and i was raised in Los Angeles...

Originally Posted by freund

butters lets go forward. hand in hand. ill teach you about the last 20 yrs, and you can teach me about felching cause i sterotype too. ya knob. your no better that anyone. we are all the same, we are all equal. to treat someone like shit because they have funny music, or slanty eyes, or thizzy music is wrong and you will never understand this.

Where did i judge you besides your typing skills?

if anything, YOU ARE THE ONE JUDGING PEOPLE just because they participate in the scene as it is today.

[Klover]

Originally Posted by freund

ever. i would really like to drive you to boony doon and have you try to picture a rainbow of 10,000 people over 28 hrs. but you would laff, and tell me to go to bluelight so i can learn to make pure chrissy from my crappy yellow stuff.
and dood. stop saying that your name is cl-over. if it is, please spell it like that. when its like k lover we all know you are cliimbin down a hole to forget that john fro the bthroom last nite. look at my making more sterotypes. i say its wrong. but you taught me otherwise.
im really glad you never met diane, preston, rick preston, harry who?, brandon yee, tony, jeno, garth, doc, derrick carter, noel, buck, moonpup, mischa, manny, halim, jelco, andy astral matrix, 303 terrorits (thats me, you did meet me), dutch, greg s, martin o brien, preston and lacy, eric spire my partner in raves and record labels, the silent records crew, john aqaviva, joey beltram, richie hawtin, claude atkins, mr lee, roy davis jnr, cybotron, hot city 5, and so many more that invented this sound going back to 82 on up. its a good thing. your not welcome at the big boy table, hell your not even welcome at the little table, go clean up that throw up on isle 3... 07. im the RAVEMASTER!!!!!!!!!! good fukin god... sie sind sehr STOOPID! uneducated, uncultured, no more brains than a dead scare crow...
you dont know. you did not need to start on me. i was pefectly fine.
butters you are going to be used as a lesson for all. about humility, understanding, learning, accepting, and finally admitting you named yourself after special k... is alright. other raver did worse. hell, you could have been rainbow brite, or goatse.x.. hell zoo..
go learn from a book for awhile, turn off the board. read TAZ. if you dont get the big words i do have this book called a dicktionary HEH STOP LAFFFIJNG i know it says dick. but its not.

the end...

this story of rejection, fasle idoltry, cow dung bingo, not knowing you have a nose on your face, beating down people cause rico sauve told you, turn into redemption.
onyl if you leave. go to arizona, there is a big harcore scene there. fire island seems to be the place for our little peter pan.
wow. you to must be boy e and candy fllop. davis is horrible its not a good school. so many, many people left from there on to better things. im not gonna argue with cow pie bingo casue i knows ya love it. all good. just stop jizzing on each other and stop sucking butter dick. for a minute. its not even jizz coming out. its just nasty raver funk. and it kills all raves! but i dont expect some bohunks from a cow town to understand 25,000 peeps at once. i mean you guys play ZOO all day; just hoping you dont have your colon peferarting. ya freaks
i was in the right place at the right time, just like you two animals playing zoo at the aggi school. stop sucking cow dick, get the horse dick out of your ass, our i wil see your new movie at sundance next year, ya freaks.
oh my god! you are christ! i mean making a scene not from a prior scene but from a movie. you are special. god. why dont you mix up groove, midsummer nite rave, go, and harry potter. youll need the magic. raves here in SF were not at warehouse. they were all at clubs that had 24 liscense, but had to stop servinv liqour at 2am. basemnt of 1015, the stone, DV8, big heart city, townsend. it was latter days it moved to warehouse, and no one will give a permit to do one now. ever. i thkn if harrty kills voldemort you will save the rave scene. and groove was shot in one place with a bunch of peeps from SFRAVES. but i know you didnt know that. you dont even know sound pressure waves... fundamentals son... go read chronicals of narnia, you would be getting closer to your goal of being good, without have to play god. i hear the dood that did EST is still in SF. maybe you can pay him 10k and he will tell you, k lover, you are loved..
your too funny butters.
idealistic, wihtout any ideas
good way to go things
it just makes no sense
but i do applaud your sense of making fun of people because, as every miliitary junta knows you need peeps beileving in you first. i jsut see peter pan, and his soggy pants. and you will cry. pressure waves. its not just chord a into slot b like how you play with bois, you have to know math, lfos, how low a human ear can hear, but you seem to knwo what your doing. man on butters!

this rest of your post is just fucking ridiculous.
You are obviously either just trolling or really really mad at how your love of the scene has turned out, because it has changed.


This right here is the best guide for you:


Techno.

Just repeat the word to yourself. Listen to it. What does it sound like to you? The word seems to carry two totally opposite images with it. It sounds at once monolithic and impersonal, like the acronym of a multinational conglomerate. But it also sounds toylike, as in brightly coloured plastic Lego blocks.

Rave culture is an echo of these two contradictory images. It is retrofuturist, heading in opposite directions at the same time: forward, to the seductive dystopia of Blade Runner's Los Angeles, 2019, and backward, to the psychedelic utopia of the 'Summer of Love'. At its best, it is like orgasmic relief or Buddhist Nirvana, or the momentary blackout of a fighter pilot pulling G's at supersonic speed. At its worst, it can pummel the brain to mush with its locomotive rhythms and monorail melodies.

Listen to it. On one hand it has a love of silky, lustrous textures. On the other, a fondness for scabrous, crusty timbres. It is an amorphous sexuality and a masculinist algebra of dominance and submission. It is fluidity and rigidity. It is utopia and dystopia.

The application of the music is paradoxical as well. In an age where the standard formats are CDs and digital recordings, techno largely reverts back to 12-inch vinyl cuts and analog synths.

The genre is also anti-capitalist at the same time. Dozens of 12-inch singles are released every week, but few of the producers or musicians--there is usually no band--use the same name twice; they form short partnerships, release a couple of tracks and move on. None seem worried about fame or fortune; the 'image' of the music is transported directly from composer to consumer, without any interfering middleman.

Techno is the end of natural law of pop music: the end of harmony, of melodic development, of album-oriented marketing, of live performance in the "classic rock" sense. Techno signals the death of the song, to be replaced by the unresolved, infinite track. It is the death of the star, of message, of meaning. It is a revolutionary concept, but a recording company's nightmare.

And raves? Because social gravity is suspended, raves can be anything, like the student rebellion in Paris in 1968, or a group grope, or Mardis Gras in New Orleans. Or a lynch mob. They can be both Woodstock and Altamont, Plato's Republic and Jonestown. The suspension of mores and norms permits cultures which are polar opposite to one another; communitarian "families" are present as well as teenage wolfpacks, out for a night of wilding.

The 'rave', in the modern sense, addresses the utopian yearnings of both cynics and true believers alike. Heads, it's a Love-in; tails, it's a Two Minutes' Hate.

The raver is caught in this paradox. Like the hippy movement of the 60's, the raver seeks drums, seeks refuge to a simpler mode of existence, seeks to change the nature of the human condition through tribal gatherings and celestial events, seeks to be environmentally-conscious. But also to be urban, to be tech-oriented, to be wired into the information age. At the birth of a new millennium, the raver appears to be both luddite and industrialist; naturist and technocrat.

Blip culture means the death of sequential, linear thought. There is only a NOW--and it is either blissed-out or dreadful. Sometimes it is both.

[Klover]

The Rave is an energy event, where amplified music and flashing lights like strobes and lasers, combine to create a field of resonance in which the dancers move.

This energy event is part of the greater energy field of society; what happens at raves affects society as a whole, even those who are not at the rave.

The individuals who participate in the rave bring back their changes in outlook and experience to everyday life, and this alone has a ripple effect on the social fabric.


So a positive, life-affirming and life-changing experience at a Rave has a positive effect on society as a whole, on people's ways of seeing, techniques of coping with life and of mechanisms for interacting with one another.




What changed the rave scene IMO?

Was it police crackdowns on raves, too much irresponsible drug use, too much
commercial influence or a combination of things. As a psychologist I try to find out why people are drawn to
raves and equally why many are dissatisfied after a time. Many I have met simply feel that they
have grown out of it, that it was a youthful social experiment to be discarded after a certain age.
Others see it as a life-altering experience that leads them to further explore alternate ways of living.
Is this group an argument against the idea that raving is an age- based experience?
Do you encounter much resistance from younger people, do they see you as intruding upon
their clique or do you feel welcomed into the general rave community, ( whatever there is of one.)
I am curious about why some of you are still interested in raves, even though raving seems
to be somewhat different than it was.


Answers from certain "old skoolers"

"All of the above and none of the above. By that, to me, it went through as natural a pop culture cycle as, say, the beat scene or the hippie scene or the disco scene, all of which I have enjoyed since my coming of age in the 1950s. It's natural. The old school rave scene and community still exists--just see tribes like 13 Moontribe and many others. "Renegade raves" are still out there in the full moon and elsewhere. And--quite frankly--as one in my 71st year, I've never felt excluded or as an intruder in my 20 or so years of participating in them. Like the earlier pop culture phenomena I mentioned above, it was eventually copied, co-opted and commercially packaged into clothing, clubs and bars and such, but since the essential rave experience is a spiritual one, it's still around but where you have to seek it out--much like it was in the beginning. Those who have moved on have done so for a variety of reasons, and those who have stayed are still on the bus or in the church."



"Well, alot has changed while much hasn't. I think the overall attitude of ravers, dj's, and promoters has changed. Consumerism has indeed plagued the rave scene. Kids only go to parties that have dj's they have heard of before. Promoters pack lineups with dozens of dj's playing one hour sets to increase these numbers. The internet has been a blessing and curse. The blessing is that you're now able to reach thousands of people across the globe without ever leaving your bedroom. The curse is that you lose that personal connectivity that was the huge attraction to the rave.

The drugs have evolved. Kids are crossing their drugs making them more lethal. Despite the laws becoming tougher, there are more people dealing those drugs. The "designer" drugs have become more "designed" to create a better high and longer.

Economics come into play. The older raver has a family, job, mortgage to pay. This leave less money on frivolous play. The cost of living has gone up. Thus resulting in the kids spending their money more "wisely". They pick and choose their parties more selectively. They want substances that will give them the most for less.

This brings on rave politics. Despite the thousands who attend the rave (in larger cities like LA), promoters have to keep the party kids' interest. With the "speed mechanics" of the average party kid, this attention span is short. So promoters, dj's, and crews find themselves in harsh competition with each other."

“lets see.. Hardstyle became more "noticeable" music.. the scene is barely dying, but kept alive at the same time.. then Hard Trance was more bangin' than before-- so the crowds enjoyed that.. Orion Died in 2003, I think or was it 2002, I can't remember.

10 Years ago, 1998, the days of Trance was starting to sound blissfully delicious and pure sex.. haha.. massives were beginning to grow by huge numbers, most of them were @ National Orange Show, or Perris Valley Camp Ground Site, or even in the SB Mountains or L.A., -- Sports Arena has been devirginized.. correct me if I'm wrong; just depends which event it was.. and roughly this era was the generation of pure classic epic trance songs released that year..

Binary Finary released an incredible trance tune, which was Binary Finary - 1998; for those who don't know this song, dia! lol.. just kidding, check it out-- its pure classic at its finest..

then Gouryella followed up of its release.. which is Ferry Corsten (& Tijs Verwest), but till this day I'm not sure if they are still "Teamed" or what not..

Paul van Dyk released For an Angel, Words, and his CD, seven ways..

I'm not going to make a list of releases, any longer, haha.. if you want to know more, I can try to tell you more.. maybe, if I am in the mood for it

Anyways.. overall, the scene has changed from its best to okay, yet same time, its still the same vibe people learning the things what it was like from the past till now.. its not a bad thing at all, don't mean to sound like I'm jaded or anything-- just being realistic and honest.. just the thing is, there is more underage people at the scene, more than ever truthfully.. and some of them don't care for themselves-- but same time, we were all the same boat one time another, since its a n00bie habit unless they learn the hard way, then nevermind..”

i think people need to look at what is fun for different people and how to best produce that, while being efficient.

there is never going to be an event that pleases everyone, especially because of the wide range of culture/music/dance preferences. for me....all i really need is dancable music, nice people, and room to dance.

those three aren't hard to produce. i'm low maintenance when it comes to raves.
but when people specifically want jungle or breaks or psy or DnB or happyhardcore or nu-rave at every event....they're just not gonna get it.
the companies are gonna put on what is easiest to get for the best cost while not charging *too* much to get a big crowd.


in order for the scene to get better, i think the picky people will have to wait it out and support this hump while the inflation goes on.
if this *fake* trance isnt your shit and you want something else, still go to events, support the scene, but let it be known.
TALK TO THE PROMOTERS AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU WANT.
cause if they see you spend money on them but what something different, and if they keep hearing it, it will be done.

and also, hopefully the underage kids will grow up, people will stop O.D.ing, and drugs will become safer and people will learn - then the undergrounds can be done more often and more smoothly.