the scene

[Idi0tb0x]

Originally Posted by Dead Baby Smoker

chemist

LOL, yeah where are all the rogue chemists these days!

Originally Posted by xDJxSAPHYREx

The more people talk about raving as a "Scene" and a "Culture", the less fun it becomes.

True enough, and all that has the trappings of "rules" and "definitions" instead of just being whatever it is. DBS is right, the scene that I fell in love with back in the early 90's just is not there today. Which is fine, some of the best things cannot be sustained indefinately (orgasm, highs, rave, etc). And that's ok, but he is also right that though the current scene draws from the rave lineage, it is not the same. All he's saying is don't call a spade a club...that ship has sailed.

Originally Posted by xDJxSAPHYREx

I mean comeon "how hard is enjoying music supposed to be" right?

LOL...apparently very difficult. These days everything is so genrefied and segregated, sub scenes within the overall scene, styles that are particular to a genre (camo+jungle??WTF). I remember when DJ's used to play everything in one set, house, techno, trance, breaks...it was much more of a melange than today. I think that this single trend is indicative of the place where we are today as opposed to the early days. But even then, things were developing from a place that had already run it's course...so perhaps we are just in the lull before the next great scene...the next evolution....

In the mean time, we have what we have and either make the best of it or stay home and sleep.

PS love this guy...

[Dead Baby Smoker]

Originally Posted by xDJxSAPHYREx

The more people talk about raving as a "Scene" and a "Culture", the less fun it becomes. Sure we got our PLUR and just that overall great vibe that everyone is just friendly & chill, but we should just fucking enjoy it for what its worth and stop critiquing & critisizing everything about it. Theres always gonna be problems no matter what ya do.

I mean comeon "how hard is enjoying music supposed to be" right?

god i'm so tired of your naive and shallow views on the scene. For someone who's never even rolled before (and claims to spin trance) you really have no say in anything whatsoever anyway. Let's face it, you don't have any soul. You were probaby raised in some uptown suburb like Lafayette, am I right?

I like to have meaning behind my fun. Unlike most ppl here I know how powerful that feeling used to be. It makes the experience great instead of mediocre. If you want your meaningless and shallow fun then you got it, look around you, its everywhere. American youth is turning into a culture-less thought-less un-challanged waste of space. Go ahead and have your floozy party scene, I'd rather be involved with a culture that stands for something, tool.

[legsluveee]

Originally Posted by sugarbear420

im not trying to disrespect, but i think you are the one that needs to let it be. i mean if there are people out there that are trying to make the scene better then let them, and they will have people like me and all the ravers i know to support them. You don't need to be so negative i mean you being negative isn't going to do anything than make them want to try harder. and you are just wasting your breath. you could have chosen to not respond to this thread, because it obviously is something you don't agree with, and we would totally respect your decision to not support the scene. but why must you always try to bring everyone down just because you are jaded, and cant have fun at parties anymore. like i said im not trying to be disrespectful, but get over yourself man

plur

amen sister!!! i agree with you a hundred percent.
jaded ravers suck

[*^Savage^*]

yea people get jaded but those who dont are fuckin WONDUHFUL.

[sugarbear420]

i do have to point out that i was not trying to be disrespectful though. and if i was wrong about dbs i have already appologized to him. i really wish i could have been raving in the 90's though, cuz i have heard what that was all about and it sounded amazing. as for feeling the music that's all i do when im there is dance dance dance, and if dj's really used to throw every genre into their one set i wish i could see more of that today, cuz i love it all.

[Idi0tb0x]

[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] from a news report in my home town. Someone just posted this on BR, which is really an odd coincidence, but is does give a view of a rave back in the day.

I do remember when there was a sense in the scene that we were moving toward some version of utopian society. People were doing something with it, saying something...there was a feeling (at least for my group of friends) that this was the beginning of a culture shift that was very important for all of humanity...a reconnection to the basics of what makes socialization and being human good things. The Universal mysteries were unfolding...there used to be a point beyond the party that people were consciously working toward in their lives...and that seemingly does not exist in the majority these days, at least not that I have seen.

Where are people taking the experiences? To what use is the scene beyond a good time? There used to be a good answer for that question but, presently, I'd have to agree with DBS...there USED to be a point.

[Mister Tawny]

This was what the scene looked like between 1985 and 1991 at the Twilight Zone in Alameda. You'll note there are skins (sharps), mods, rockers, goths (lots of goths, but they had the best dance stuff at the time, and they were the most "shocking" sub group, boys wearing make up, GASP), PUNKS, and so much more. In those days they all stuck together because otherwise there would have been NO all ages, only 21+ available.

There were several club options too, depending on whether it was Friday or Saturday, and if there was live music also. There was The Batcave (for the mods), Club Attak (dance kidz and goths), Sky High (for punks and sharps). Eventually these promoters (all kids from the scene) took the show on the road and at several venues over any given weekend. But the Zone was base. Almost all of this was created by kids in the scene and a few adults (myself included), who felt it was necessary.

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By 1991/2 hip hop and grunge had conspired to kill off a lot of what was going on and the originators of the old scene were now of drinking age so they started going to bars. Now a lot of them (still active as promoters and DJ's) wish they would've kept going and there might still be UK style scene here with the last group helping the up and coming. Like Birmingham and Edinburgh are now.

[sugarbear420]

that was a pretty awesome video. but i think i finally figured out why im having a hard time agreeing with some of you guys. at raves i do see some really negative people. hyphy kids for the most part that are ruining the rave scene, but all my friends and the people that i usually run into at raves aren't doing anything but having a great time. we are full of plur at the rave and in our everyday lives. i don't just change for the one night, and neither do they. i don't knwo maybe im talking in circles, but i think that it could go somewhere. like this party on thursday that kenny threw was just so amazing not because of the size but because of the vibe, everyone was just so nice and just wanted to rave.

[Manolo]

I got to sya that the hyphy peeps do ruin the scene from time to time. Its a notion that at this time of raving we just gotta deal with; avoid them and all is good. Technically, for the most part.

[Dead Baby Smoker]

Originally Posted by sugarbear420

that was a pretty awesome video. but i think i finally figured out why im having a hard time agreeing with some of you guys. at raves i do see some really negative people. hyphy kids for the most part that are ruining the rave scene, but all my friends and the people that i usually run into at raves aren't doing anything but having a great time. we are full of plur at the rave and in our everyday lives. i don't just change for the one night, and neither do they. i don't knwo maybe im talking in circles, but i think that it could go somewhere. like this party on thursday that kenny threw was just so amazing not because of the size but because of the vibe, everyone was just so nice and just wanted to rave.

no offense, but I don't think you have the faintest idea what we are talking about.

[Idi0tb0x]

Originally Posted by sugarbear420

like this party on thursday that kenny threw was just so amazing not because of the size but because of the vibe, everyone was just so nice and just wanted to rave.

So, just a note on that, promoters only create potential energy, people have to bring vibe and turn it into kinetic force. Even if the promoter does everything right, all the DJ's are on point, and the night comes of without any hitches, there is still the possibility that the people attending will not do their part and the party will suck. Promoters are just facilitators, party people do the rest.

[Mister Tawny]

Originally Posted by Idi0tb0x

So, just a note on that, promoters only create potential energy, people have to bring vibe and turn it into kinetic force. Even if the promoter does everything right, all the DJ's are on point, and the night comes of without any hitches, there is still the possibility that the people attending will not do their part and the party will suck. Promoters are just facilitators, party people do the rest.

I agree with you 100% both of the parties we threw had serious problems with equipment and other issues (not to mention financial considerations), but the force was strong with these ones. The kids wanted to dance and the DJ's wanted to make it right and spin that shit. So it worked. If there had been more of an edge or we were more concerned with just making a buck (we would have let the hyphy kids in then too), or any number of other things, it might have sucked.


Maybe it's the no hyphy stance, maybe it's that in promoting we have found one of your own, Kenny G, who has joined us, who really wants to do it right. Either way the vibe has been there. Let's see what happens with parties 3 through 5 then make our minds up about what is happening with the scene.