rap in raving (game face review discusion continued)

[flyraving]

well it needed a new thread so hear we go.. should they play rap a raves? honestly its one of they few places where techno is listened to constantly witch is a good thing. i feel that at the majiorty of partys there isnt much else other than rap, witch is why raving is unique. the majiorty of techno played at a rave is up lifting and even the lyrics are about coming together and unifying. the majority of rap (at least the kinds i hear at raves) have alot to do with reputations and sterotypes of being a gangster or somewhere along the lines of that. i am a fan of rap but im also a fan of techno and i honestly see the 2 scenes clashing when mixed. responces at all?

[rationalhatter]

Originally Posted by flyraving

well it needed a new thread so hear we go.. should they play rap a raves? honestly its one of they few places where techno is listened to constantly witch is a good thing. i feel that at the majiorty of partys there isnt much else other than rap, witch is why raving is unique. the majiorty of techno played at a rave is up lifting and even the lyrics are about coming together and unifying. the majority of rap (at least the kinds i hear at raves) have alot to do with reputations and sterotypes of being a gangster or somewhere along the lines of that. i am a fan of rap but im also a fan of techno and i honestly see the 2 scenes clashing when mixed. responces at all?

If Rap did not exist, 'techno' would not exist. I mean. Kraftwerk would exist. But house music would not. Our culture sprang from theirs, and just because its black people music doesn't mean it's all scariness and violence. I don't think the thizzle dance is encouraging the beating of e-tards.

[DreamCatcher]

Originally Posted by rationalhatter

If Rap did not exist, 'techno' would not exist. I mean. Kraftwerk would exist. But house music would not. Our culture sprang from theirs, and just because its black people music doesn't mean it's all scariness and violence. I don't think the thizzle dance is encouraging the beating of e-tards.

We could go back and back and back. Just because electronica has relatives in the hip hop family doesn't mean it needs to be played. At hip hop concerts if they played some beatnik scat I don't think people would be too happy.

I listen to hip hop myself from time to time. It's fun, and singing along can be bomb diggity, and there is some serious talent in the scene.

That said, it does kinda vibe-kill for a lot of folks I know. If every now and then someone threw on some classic ass song that'd be cool. But there are portions of peoples sets that theyre dedicating to hip-hop. If this be the case, I say just throw it on the flyer. If there's a stage of DnB... make it DnB/Hip hop. Just be honest.

Like others have said, I go to raves to hear electronic music, I say if hip hop is present in the scene it should come wrapped in a nice little package labeled "breakbeat/DnB mix".

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Also, I've met and had awesome convos with those dressed as "thugs". I met another guy named Jason at game face. We talked about some awesome ass raves we went to back in the day. He rocked my socks, and I wouldn't have met him had I passed him off as a guy in some clothes I don't wear.

There are very real and undeniable assumptions everyone makes about you based on the clothes you wear. Period. If I walked into gameface dressed as a Hasedic Jew, it would make sense to think I go to temple and eat matza ball soup. If I come dressed in hundreds of pieces of kandi, with blue hair and GIANT pants, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume I like electronica and that drugs might have been in my system at some point in the night. Are these assumption always right? No. Are they too big of a leap? No, at least I don't think so.

So is it not understandable to at least wonder about people who come dressed looking like the people that started shit at various parties that I've been to? I don't think so, that's just our good ol' protective human instincts. However, we've all gotta be open to everyone, but be clear and positive about what isn't alright in the (I don't want to say "our") scene. Eventually those running against the grain, those who are there for the wrong reasons will weed themselves out. You've just gotta be willing to love and stay with raving for longer than them



Cliffnotes: If you read the whole post you must be as bored as I am. Hip hop shouldn't be a main attraction, unless its advertised. Everyone is judged based on what they wear, know this, be open, accepting, but in the end don't let the scene get ruined by a few bad eggs. If we make it clear that people need to relax on the ego-trips, eventually they'll work their way out. At least until next time.

Just my two cents! This is just one bored-assholes long winded opinion. Hope to see you on the dancefloor, where none of this really matters.

[flyraving]

i see how rap has influenced alot of techno, and im not saying theres anything wrong with rap. i like rap. but i can deffinatly see how the 2 type of music clash. not just in a lyrical sense but also in the sense that the vibe from the music is totaly different. you can't go anywhere noadays to hear only techno. yet it is hard to find (concerts exempt) some where that there isnt rap. i have alot of friends in raving and alot of them dont enjoy rap what so ever. the only techno concert there is are raves,even at clubs its about half and half. they have partys and clubs that play rap every weekend non stop. raves started with a plur purpose. i have never heard plury rap. alot of rap isnt hostile but, its not plury.

[BIG_kua]

dreamcatcher i read your whole post so i must be bored. but i 100% agree with what u wrote. i dont mind a little hip-hop, hyphy shiznit every now and then. i listen to hip-hop everyday so i doesnt bug me when they play it, its just more of the same.

[nancy3102]

im always bored so dreamcatcher i read your entire post...and i've got's to say i agree with your insightful argument on the assumptions we make of one another solely based on the way we dress and the way we look...and like you said at raves i have met lots of people that i otherwise would have dismissed in any other environment (i am being completely honest), but thats the wonderful thing about raves is that it can bring people together, and yeah it sux that sometimes certain people have to give an entire genre a bad name, but it doesn't mean we have to dismiss that entire genre.

With that said i have to say that i dont mind rap music being played at raves... i totally give props to the dj's at game face that were playing the rap music and all that hip hop music (it was also really cool to see some MC's free-styling)...i thought it was great...i was so amazed by it cause honestly that was my first time hearing that at a rave. (then again i am pretty new to this whole scene).. I only wished my brother would've been there....it would have been like my world and his world coming together as one...and isnt that just the whole point of raves and the whole ideology of PLUR?

well now that i have rambled and prob made no sense i shall go back to catching up with my readings seeing as midterms are just around the corner.....

[funlkson22]

Ignore genres if possible. If it sounds good and makes you move, go with it. I personally don't cre for the lyrics to 95% of rap/hip-hop, but the other 5% can make for some ill possible techno/whatever mixes. If it bumps, then let it bump.

[Lowball]

hip hop and EDM do stem from the same source, HOWEVER, they have both taken a different musical direction, and are engineered and directed towards different audiences. And clashing occures because of this. I personally think if you want to listen to hip hop go to a hip hop club. If you want to listen to rave music go to a rave, i dont think the 2 music styles should be playing at the same venue, simply because people go to raves to listed to rave music, not hip hop. I also feel that people connecting gang violence with music is just wrong, thats not what hip hop is about, it's about about expression.

[snuffy oo]

okay.

1st of all, you all need to be slapped. electronic music ties together with disco which, which has evolved over the last 20+ years.

2nd of all, dont hate on the scene for rap being played in it. tallk to the dj's and ask them to play something different if you dont like it, simple as that. which will lead to this topic not needing to be posted. meaning, i wouldnt have to waste my time writting this.

[Melody]

Originally Posted by flyraving

well it needed a new thread so hear we go.. should they play rap a raves? honestly its one of they few places where techno is listened to constantly witch is a good thing. i feel that at the majiorty of partys there isnt much else other than rap, witch is why raving is unique. the majiorty of techno played at a rave is up lifting and even the lyrics are about coming together and unifying. the majority of rap (at least the kinds i hear at raves) have alot to do with reputations and sterotypes of being a gangster or somewhere along the lines of that. i am a fan of rap but im also a fan of techno and i honestly see the 2 scenes clashing when mixed. responces at all?

1) I didnt read the other responses, so sorry if Im repeating.

2) Im not from SF, so I probably shouldnt be posting here, but its a good question, so here goes...

Before I started raving, I listened to rap. So I am in no way biased against it, but, I have been raving for quite a while and am now in love with HC/HHC.

I heard rap spun at a rave for the first time ever last year. It was a rap/electronica type thing, but rap none the less. Mean lyrics and just a bad vibe. It totally brought me down and I even suggested leaving at one point (this was BEFORE I started rolling, BTW ). I wound up taking a pill and only really noticed the beat after that, and then the genre changed to HC (thank god).

So, my vote is that no, rap does not belong in the rave scene

[funlkson22]

Stop being so closed minded to rap/hip-hop everyone. Raving is all about the blending together of different things. And it and the music with it, is an art form. Now not all forms of hip-hop may blend, but some does. Some of it will even get you vibing just right. Think of the Gorillaz or even some old school party type hip-hop. That stuff would hit nice mixed with some house or jungle. Aphrodite even did a sick ass mix of Luniz "I got five on it" back in the day. Now I love EDM just as much as anyone, but you shouldn't close your minds to mixing it with hip-hop. It can make for some ill mixing.

[DreamCatcher]

Originally Posted by snuffy oo

okay.

1st of all, you all need to be slapped.....

.....2nd of all, dont hate on the scene for rap being played in it. tallk to the dj's and ask them to play something different if you dont like it, simple as that. which will lead to this topic not needing to be posted. meaning, i wouldnt have to waste my time writting this.

1st of all; cmon man, lets keep it positive.

2nd of all a)for the years Ive been in the scene most rap hasn't been played at raves in that significant of a way (no doubt it would show up, and it used to show up mostly in DnB mixes.... which rock the house). b) a number of DJ's frequent these forums and will read these concerns. Besides theres no harm in having a discussion about what we all think. c) this follows b).... voicing your opinion in a honest and positive way is not, in my opinion a waste of time.

Originally Posted by funlkson22

Stop being so closed minded to rap/hip-hop everyone. Raving is all about the blending together of different things. And it and the music with it, is an art form. Now not all forms of hip-hop may blend, but some does. Some of it will even get you vibing just right. Think of the Gorillaz or even some old school party type hip-hop. That stuff would hit nice mixed with some house or jungle. Aphrodite even did a sick ass mix of Luniz "I got five on it" back in the day. Now I love EDM just as much as anyone, but you shouldn't close your minds to mixing it with hip-hop. It can make for some ill mixing.

Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

I say if hip hop is present in the scene it should come wrapped in a nice little package labeled "breakbeat/DnB mix".

Mixes would be awesome, but most of the time just playing a hip hop track straight up brings my proverbial soul train to a stop. That Luniz mix you brought up is some of the sickest shit, I love it. I only wished they would throw down mixes like that rather than just an irking change of tone.