Klover: Brainiac Ravetime Superhero?

[Klover]

true.

dislike should be used more often and instead of when people use hate.

There are several people in the world though that i dislike very, very much to the point of saying i hate them.

[**Mandi**]

Originally Posted by paisley

Let's all be honest. His threads and replies are the most valid and thought out on here.

Three cheers for everyone's pal Klover?

Hip-hip.....

haha

aww I totally agree!

[Klover]

Originally Posted by MeowitsOtis

how does it make them look worse? what are they compared to? If that is how they feel then it is true for them.

because often times people unfairly judge someone when they do not know the story behind who they are, why they act a certain way, if in fact the person judging is the one acting incorrectly/inappropriately, on the inability to realize that we are not ones to judge outside of the scope of are they harming someone else, disrespecting a venue/person, etc...


you also answered your own question when you quoted me....


"Whenever you judge someone it is more of a reflection of who you are then of the person you are judging."


I honestly see people judging and i see that action more than the person they are judging.

It is true for people who judge hobos, crack addicts, races, religions, ethnicities, teenagers, old people, different preferences of music, people who dress differently, on and on and on and on.

People judge back and forth across sub-cultures, ages, and gender.

All it does is make your cohort group look worse and less open-minded.

The more interest you show in other peoples ways and beliefs the more likely you are to be respected instead of frowned down upon.

Thats why when elderly people hate on the youth i'm not surprised or when people are curious why the mainstream hates ravers and think we are irresponsible.

If you want our image to change, show an interest in other cultures and have them educate you on theirs. and then vice versa.


P.S. homeless people have the best stories.

[liquidraver147]

hate... no need for it, just causes stress which im not a fan of... i love living stress free, or else very close to it....

[liquidraver147]

Originally Posted by Klover

because often times people unfairly judge someone when they do not know the story behind who they are, why they act a certain way, if in fact the person judging is the one acting incorrectly/inappropriately, on the inability to realize that we are not ones to judge outside of the scope of are they harming someone else, disrespecting a venue/person, etc...


you also answered your own question when you quoted me....


"Whenever you judge someone it is more of a reflection of who you are then of the person you are judging."


I honestly see people judging and i see that action more than the person they are judging.

It is true for people who judge hobos, crack addicts, races, religions, ethnicities, teenagers, old people, different preferences of music, people who dress differently, on and on and on and on.

People judge back and forth across sub-cultures, ages, and gender.

All it does is make your cohort group look worse and less open-minded.

The more interest you show in other peoples ways and beliefs the more likely you are to be respected instead of frowned down upon.

Thats why when elderly people hate on the youth i'm not surprised or when people are curious why the mainstream hates ravers and think we are irresponsible.

If you want our image to change, show an interest in other cultures and have them educate you on theirs. and then vice versa.


P.S. homeless people have the best stories.

i been homeless many times... sold a car to have a place to stay... iono if id want to talk about it on forums, but for any1 wanting to know.. i got aim n myspace, lol, being homeless is crazy, but in the end makes u realize life isnt that bad no matter how bad ur situation gets....

[MeowitsOtis]

forgiveness is more so for yourself than anyone else. it is not a way of condoning someones actions but a way of letting go of that painful, negative energy kept within.

I personally don't get along with everyone, no one does, but I have compassion and love for those people because they are human just like me searching for truth and happiness inside and outside, whether they are conscious of it or not.

love for all manifestations of life, interconnectedness, i love it all.


*no judgment towards anyone*

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Klover

because often times people unfairly judge someone when they do not know the story behind who they are, why they act a certain way, if in fact the person judging is the one acting incorrectly/inappropriately, on the inability to realize that we are not ones to judge outside of the scope of are they harming someone else, disrespecting a venue/person, etc...

To judge someone you need not know their whole life history. That is irrelevant. Everyone judges people, if you say you don't you are full of shit.

People may judge people to different degrees but we all do it.

If I see someone being an asshole I don't need to question WHY they are being an asshole. Did they not get enough love as a child? Are they a bitter person due to issues in the past?

Possibly. But again, I am judging what I see at the present moment, not what happened/did not happen in the past to make them that way.

-Drifter

[Klover]

Originally Posted by liquidraver147

hate... no need for it, just causes stress which im not a fan of... i love living stress free, or else very close to it....

exactly.


which is why any thread about me sucks. cause people instantly bring judgment.

even saying "klover's ego blah blah blah"

why say shit if all it adds is negativity but judges other people?

[liquidraver147]

well, people can judge me all they want negative or positive, but all that matters is who knows the truth , judgement is usually opinion....

[Klover]

Originally Posted by Drifter

To judge someone you need not know their whole life history. That is irrelevant. Everyone judges people, if you say you don't you are full of shit.

People may judge people to different degrees but we all do it.

If I see someone being an asshole I don't need to question WHY they are being an asshole. Did they not get enough love as a child? Are they a bitter person due to issues in the past?

Possibly. But again, I am judging what I see at the present moment, not what happened/did not happen in the past to make them that way.

-Drifter

I meant more as judging somebody to a final stereotype or them as a person.


of course if i see someone acting a fool or being an ass i'm gonna judge their actions right then and there and get them to stop or tell them how to behave otherwise.

But outside of a heated situation....people judge the people they cross on the street every day.

the people in the mission needing money for crack....or fat people....or illegal imigrants....

there are many problems surrounding why people are that way or are those people...

once you get to the bottom line of everything, its beginning, and how society plays a role its easier to not judge in the moment.

you do not need to learn every individuals past...but figure in what they are doing and ask yourself "why" they are doing it before judging.

and because you will not know 100% why...it is pretty unsafe to judge them as a person besides judging their present action.

[liquidraver147]

hmm, i like to use the word whatever alot in conversations with people that know me well, bcuhz it just ends a negative conversation fast.. lol, i dont say it bcuhz i dont care, i just say it bcuhz of the affects it has in conversations, lol

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Klover

But outside of a heated situation....people judge the people they cross on the street every day.

the people in the mission needing money for crack....or fat people....or illegal imigrants....

there are many problems surrounding why people are that way or are those people...

once you get to the bottom line of everything, its beginning, and how society plays a role its easier to not judge in the moment.

you do not need to learn every individuals past...but figure in what they are doing and ask yourself "why" they are doing it before judging.

and because you will not know 100% why...it is pretty unsafe to judge them as a person besides judging their present action.

Society may play a role, sure. But realistically I have little to no sympathy for people who not need, want, money for crack. Need implies a necessity and crack sure ain't a necessity. Fat people? A societal issue slightly, its still your body. No one forced that spoon in your mouth. Illegal immigrants, you crossed the border.

I'm very much a believer in self-reliance and responsibility. If there is a problem at hand 90% of the time it is due to your actions.

I do not see the point in spending time to assess why a crackhead got to that point. I would rather spend my time/resources and especially that person's time/resources in working to correct the problem. To get them out of that situation.

If there is a situation at hand, deal with it. That's how I live. It is what it is, now what can you do to make it better or get it back to the way it should've been.

-Drifter