I found the meaning of life at Popsikle

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by orvski

Well see, roads is just trying to say that he has grasped HIS meaning of life, not yours or mines or anyone else. There is no point in trying to get him to understand your view of it whether you bomb him with all these quotes and studies because he just doesnt see it that way..YET. There is the journey that takes you from understanding an idea which leads to another understanding which causes a change in perception.

Trevor, if you want to help roads (if thats what youre trying to do), it would be better if you explain to him your experience on how you got from point A to point B. You learn more from the journey, not from the conclusion.

But then again, you can disregard my suggestions cuz you have the right to.

-- Oh and I didnt pass over that spiritual "shit" you wrote. Matter of fact I agree with the things you have pointed out.

I understand he found 'his' meaning of life but what he defines as 'his' meaning is simply to live subjectively. Every person on Earth knows that but in different terms. It's not the meaning of life. It's how we survive, it's not the end all.

You guys don't understand or don't read.

I don't bombard anyone with studies.

I AM EXPLAINING the physical world beneath us. I am explaining an idea ingrained into our brains -- Dualism and how it prevents us from understanding the world beneath this.

What studies did I fucking throw at you guys.

What are you talking about? What quotes did I throw out other than 'Godel's theorum'?

Listen, the guy said he used SCIENCE and SPRITIUALITY to derive his conclusion. He has absolutely NO science in his ENTIRE trip report. When I get into the science of the universe, you guys start getting freaked out and say, "He is regurgetating information and throwing studies at me!" when I am just telling you what I understand in my head.

If he knows science, then what I am saying to him is a shortcut and I dont need to show my path through this journey.

The science that I laid out speaks for itself if you really understand science.

So let me get this straight:

A guy can claim to grasp the meaning of life, claim to use science and spirituality, isn't supposed to get questioned about his bold statement and is somehow more humble than I because he continues to use a calm tone? He bullshits his 'original' points but only makes them original because they are subjective.

I discuss science and dualism and I am somehow throwing studies at people?

I simply ask how a person derives these ideas yet I get zero facts to support his SCIENTIFIC claims.

Crossfaded -- Where is the science?

[Trevor]

Finally got to work.

As for my path to get here:

It can't be explained in a short paragraph. It's a long process that is neverending.

I didn't stumble upon mushrooms and discover the meaning of life all in one night so it's hard to remember every step that I took.

I will say that it has involved constant thought (all day, every day) on all subjects of life as they are integral to trying to understand the whole.

We can't limit our experiences to a mushroom trip and develop a God complex.

The idea that we are all independant from the whole and experiencing this reality subjectively isn't a new idea. It appears in the Western Faiths (to a degree), In Buddhism, In Taoism, In Daoism, In Deism, etc. I understand that he believes he has found, "God within himself" but what does that entail? When a person makes a claim, they explain and defend themselves.

It's a profound concept but it is just the beginning. You can't stop there and claim enlightenment.

I am far from enlightened.

To Clairfy:

I initiated this discussion with an aggressive tone because if someone claims to understand their meaning of life, then they aren't going to be open to other ideas. An aggressive tone usually serves to get through to them.

I need someone to speak to me in an aggressive tone sometimes to get through to me.

If this upsets you, I apologize. I am not trying to make anyone angry or offended, this is just how I talk.

[Idi0tb0x]

Yawn. I'm out.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Idi0tb0x

Yawn. I'm out.

Should I speak in more 'feel-good' language?

[Idi0tb0x]

Naw, you do whatever you want...I'm gonna go over here >

L8

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Idi0tb0x

Naw, you do whatever you want...I'm gonna go over here >

L8

Can I join you?

I want to rub your legs and discover something inspirational.

[Trevor]

Upon much introspection I have decided that I came off slightly pretentious.

I apologize. That was not my intention.

I am passionate about philosophy, science, mathematics, spirituality, ideas, discussions and debates and I become so immersed in the ideas, discussion and logic that I sometimes forget about my manners.

I am always attacking points and ideas and not people. If I sound personal, I apologize.

This is my passion.

[Doctor E.vil]

I just love how people get high and have an experience which they figure they're found the meaning of life or whatever and relate the feeling of being high to it. That's like Eating an apple and knowing what the apple is about when you're just really enjoying the feeling from eating it. Experience from something is not what the meaning of it was. The apple might not have been there for you to eat, so it's purpose was not that it did something to or for you, but you might think you understand why the apple was there, because you are relating to what it was to you. Not what it might've been really there for. So back to where I was........The meaning of life so far has only been proven that we live and we die and do things in between. What the real purpose is might never be found out, because we keep relating to our own experiences of what it means to us, because, after all.....who else is there? God perhaps?


Just so you know, the more upset you get at my post, the less I care. I'm just saying my opinion on the matter. This isn't to upset you. This is for my own amusement. Just ask Trevor, it's pointless to attack my views, because if you feel I don't know what I'm talking about, then just better to move on, because I care to share my thoughts and feelings, not to argue because it's pointless, because I can agree you have a different point of view, but rarely does one agree with me that I do.

[orvski]

I try to have a neutral view on my perception of everything around me in order to try and see the nature of things in multiple views.

Trevor, theres nothing wrong with how you talk, in fact, you can put your ideas into words better than I and I enjoy reading your posts. Right now I am having a hard time putting my understanding of life in a group of words that someone can understand. I find that the best way for me to share my views on life with a person is by taking him on a journey with me in order for him to see me in action and better understand my view.

Now I'm just gonna sit and (re)read some of the things all of you have pointed and reflect on it.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by Doctor E.vil

I just love how people get high and have an experience which they figure they're found the meaning of life or whatever and relate the feeling of being high to it. That's like Eating an apple and knowing what the apple is about when you're just really enjoying the feeling from eating it. Experience from something is not what the meaning of it was. The apple might not have been there for you to eat, so it's purpose was not that it did something to or for you, but you might think you understand why the apple was there, because you are relating to what it was to you. Not what it might've been really there for. So back to where I was........The meaning of life so far has only been proven that we live and we die and do things in between. What the real purpose is might never be found out, because we keep relating to our own experiences of what it means to us, because, after all.....who else is there? God perhaps?


Just so you know, the more upset you get at my post, the less I care. I'm just saying my opinion on the matter. This isn't to upset you. This is for my own amusement. Just ask Trevor, it's pointless to attack my views, because if you feel I don't know what I'm talking about, then just better to move on, because I care to share my thoughts and feelings, not to argue because it's pointless, because I can agree you have a different point of view, but rarely does one agree with me that I do.

"That's like Eating an apple and knowing what the apple is about when you're just really enjoying the feeling from eating it."

That's a great quote from you, I think.

Nice post, Evil. I agree as well.

You are very good at dodging my argumentative nature. I will give you that.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by orvski

I try to have a neutral view on my perception of everything around me in order to try and see the nature of things in multiple views.

Trevor, theres nothing wrong with how you talk, in fact, you can put your ideas into words better than I and I enjoy reading your posts. Right now I am having a hard time putting my understanding of life in a group of words that someone can understand. I find that the best way for me to share my views on life with a person is by taking him on a journey with me in order for him to see me in action and better understand my view.

Now I'm just gonna sit and (re)read some of the things all of you have pointed and reflect on it.

As subjective parts of the whole (collective/cosmic consciousness) we are blessed with one lense to view the objective world, it's our duty as vehicles of the collective consciousness to expand our lenses evenly across the universe to reach each other.

I appreciate your comments and I regard everyone's opinion as unique and important and I do not discount what anyone says here. I do refute ideas though, that doesn't mean I am discounting them, just giving you my perspective.

First, the reason I believe that word choice is important is because philosophy is the basis for logic. Mathematics, Science and Logical Reasoning all have evolved through philosophy. To deny it's logical nature is like trying to deny the faith aspect of spirituality.

There is logic to philosophy as it's completely founded on such cognitive skills.

Just so this is understood,

I derive all thoughts, perspectives and ideas through experience and new found discoveries as you have eluded to. I to remain neutral in the sense that I am OPEN TO THE IDEA OF CHANGE if presented in a solid argument.

However, when I believe something to be true, I will push it as such. If a person can present an argument to refute my ideas, I will reflect upon their thoughts and reevaluate my perspective.

Again, I apologize for coming off as pretentious -- I get caught up in things.

For the record, I am not a logic machine. I meditate and I reflect on the metaphysical world. I contemplate about the metaphysical as well as the physical.

I do my best to study human cognition so I understand the idea of perception.

What one is forgetting is that perception can be wrong. Perception is reality on a subjective level (Subjective/Internal Realities -- memories, dreams, impulses, thoughts, cognition, consciousness) but once you seek to explain the Explicate Order or our objective world (Objective/External Realities -- the things that affect all of us regardless of our subjective interpretations; the basis for subjective experience) you must understand that perception is no longer reality, for reality is objective as far as we know it (without getting into boson particles we can assume this to be true). This is why I tried to delve into some basic overview of quantum mechanics but it's really a hard concept to explain since I don't have a PhD and I simply read books and force it to make sense in my head even at it's basic simplified level so that's pointless I suppose.

Like I said to Idiotbox in a PM,

Our minds must never become static for we are active and everchanging.

However, when I notice people starting to stagnate, I start throwing rocks in the pond.

Ripple effects reach vast distances.

Our subjective experiences are founded on the basis of objectivity so it is important to do your best in explaining your subjective view in relation to it's objective base.

[Your Mom]

This is to Crossfaded,
I had a similar trip on mushrooms the last time I tripped out on them. It was an awesomely amazing experience. I found God in everything and I realized that everything was beautiful as well as disgusting because everything is the same and that's the beauty. It was a feeling that overtook my complete being and made me so 100 percent sure that everything is complete beauty. When the trip was over the feeling was gone, but I realized that is a state I have to try to understand or try to achieve again without the help of drugs sometime later in my life. I had recieved all I needed to from mushrooms because the trip was so complete. Each previous trip seemed to be building up to that last one. It was like getting a little closer to insanity and comletely letting go. I'm really glad you were able to experience something similar what I did!
Love,
Andrea