I found the meaning of life at Popsikle

[crossfaded]

I documented the experience here.

Please read

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and tell me your thoughts.

[Trevor]

You very sloppily stumble upon polydrug use and decide that you have found the meaning of life?

Sweet.

[Idi0tb0x]

Often it is the experiences that we cannot accurately put into clear communication to others that really are the most life changing.

Trevor, you should be carefull when policing logic. You're correct, there's nothing mystical about being on drugs in and of itself. However, that's not to say that the experience that he had in his mind, the place that the substances helped him get to in his own personal realizations with regard to "the self", was not incredible and meaningful. It is possible that this experience will be life changing, for better or worse, and the power behind realizing that should not so easily be poo-pooed.

I myself believe that psychoactive substances have played a large role in the evolution of human-kind. There is not a religion or spiritual belief system that has not been touched and influenced by psychoactive substances. Substances that may have in fact awakened the first proto-humans to the self-consciousness we now take for granted. Perhaps we even take it for granted so much that experiencing these left of center reflections on "self" from time to time is a necessary re-connect to what makes us who we are.

I just find your tone dismissive and unsupportive. Besides, even (and I'm not saying this is the case) if hippy-flippin has no value intelectually or spiritually, you can't tell someone that if it goes against their experience.
There is no advice heeded that is not first earned = you gotta realize shit for yourself or else you're just a pawn of social construction and more a product of your environment than your heart and will. People will figure shit out for themselves, or they won't, but either way, all you can ever do for someone else is be there to encourage them and support them along the way and help them when they need help.

Just a little check from the otherside, love baby...love.

[vaporub]

I agree with idiotbox, and if he doesnt mind id like to add

This world around us is OUR reality, created by us, each human (in quantum physic and mechanic sense) is their own god. The reality, or world, that is here now only exists because we want it to subconsciously, its here because we want something to live on. Therefore, once you have actually come to the realization of this type of thinking, you can ultimately change your reality.

And once you have come to that realization, anything is possible. I always think positive and have a positive outlook, i have come to this realization after watching 'What the Bleep do we Know?', which explains in more depth what i am talking about. I have changed my life, and it is a self-realization experience that sparks this kind of thinking.

just thought id give me 2cents ;P

[Trevor]

What the bleep do you know took quantum mechanics and fucking took a fat shit on it.

Read my thead about escaping duality if you think you understand particle physics.

I police logic, I don't sit around and make friends with people.

[vaporub]

trevor... i wasnt even talking to you...so chill and i was agreeing with crossfaded when he said "So truly, I have found my own God in ME." cuz it takes a self-realization to achieve that...... i guess this was the point i was getting at.

I police logic, I don't sit around and make friends with people.

so you live your life questioning logic and thinking processes instead of making friends?

i make friends for life, cuz without friends life is just a place where you do things for other people, not knowing what its like to make your own decisions because your constantly being told what to do or where to go and what to buy. Without friends i know for a fact that i would not be where i am today...

so clarify oh great trevor of knowledge that nobody else can match, what do you mean by that sentence, and put it in big, hard to understand words so that my inferior mind cannot comprehend what your saying...

[skaterjunk]

some ppl i know all they think about is i wana die but they cant kill themselves but the world doesent end does it?

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by vaporub

actually no, i wasn't trying to talk shit to you >.> i was basically saying that we create our own reality and can make whatever we want of it, and i was agreeing with you when you said "So truly, I have found my own God in ME." cuz it takes a self-realization to achieve that...... i guess this was the point i was getting at.

oh well, just chill trevor you shouldnt jump to conclusions so much...

This is my conclusion:

If someone claims to understand the meaning of life, they better defend their points. If someone thinks they understand something, such as quantum mechanics, they better understand the basics.

If someone eludes to an idea and it's wrong, I am not going to sugar coat my replies and chat with people.

When did I say,""So truly, I have found my own God in ME." ???

Also, why is that I must be nice to people when they are wrong?

Please, read my post about 'Can we escape duality?' and then talk to me about BASIC quantum mechanics.

Whatever What the bleep do you know told you, was oversimplified and stretched. It's a terrible film.

[rAvInPsYcHoNaUt]

This is the Thread that Trevor posted in the Southern California Forum.....

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[crossfaded]

Trevor,
I appreciate your last post much more than your first 2 posts as it has much more substance in your arguments.

I've read your myspace profile and read your escaping duality post so I can better understand what you are saying. From what I can tell from your writings, it appears that you may feel that you have a level of understanding that you think people just don't understand. I respect that, and I do believe you have a level of understanding that is very rare for 19 year olds, that is if you are still 19 right now.

I am interested in your process of reaching your understanding. I think the process is more important than the final "understanding". Because with the process, you can get people to the point you really wanted them to be in the first place.

So if you read my post again. I tried to focus mostly on my process and not the "specific" visuals, or body feeling. But rather, my end "enlightenment", and then my process of getting there. Until then, I really don't believe you understand what I have experienced, and I will not pretend I understand yours. Although I feel like I have a better understanding of you than you have of me, just because I took the time to read about you.

crossfaded.org

[Idi0tb0x]

Logic is not everything. There is nothing to reason if we have no experience to process. That is my point entirely. Experience is an individual thing, seen through the filters of our capacities and our histories. So how one person reasons an experience, other would see differently. As the philosophical debates of our recorded history demonstrate, there are numerous, perhaps infinite takes on reality and the nature of experiencing it. That considered, it is completely illogical to state any sort of absolutes about the nature of experience.

And with regard to the need to justify being "Nice to someone who is wrong", it's called being compassionate. And "wrong" is a qualitive statement about your unique position in subjective reality. It's not a logical response, not a computation, but just simply being friendly. What's so illogical about that? Pretty soon, you'll have o one to share your reasonings with if you continue with that "Logic".

Cheers!

[orvski]

Let me put this in simple terms:

You all agree that each person has their own unique experience right?

If so, then the meaning of life for each person is different.

The ideas may be false to someone else, but thats his/her view and he/she has the right to think that way.

Forcing your ideas to people, in a nicely done manner or otherwise, is not the best way to make them understand the meaning of life through your view, because it's just not possible.

So basically, stop arguing or trying to prove your almightyness with each other about why your meaning of life makes more sense than his meaning of life, because there is no point, he/she will never fully understand what you have experienced+realized yourself.

What to do then? What crossfaded said, the process is more enlightening than the end result, so please explain to us how you've reached your conclusion so that we may see how it all worked out for you.